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 Posted 04/02/2011  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
Thanks SD. Just wanted to make sure. Decided to jump off the deep end and get a Canon dSLR on the cheap; i.e. used. Just wanted to make sure I'd have that computer-controlled photography I've read so much about on the forum.
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 Posted 04/02/2011  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Way cool, man. Which one did you get, and what lenses? I'll be happy to help you get it sorted out.
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 Posted 04/02/2011  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
Actually, haven't gotten anything yet. Just trying to do the groundwork and didn't want to jump off the deep end without learning how to at least stay afloat. Fixed income, limited budget so....I'm trying to make my choices wisely and with a mind to still being able to pay the light bill. Basically, entry-level Canon dslr which can be used with the Zoombrowser software. I'll probably just get the body to start with because of $$$ but if it says Canon, guess I'll be OK. I'm going trolling tomorrow at the flea market. I've looked at ebay but didn't really know what I was looking at. As for lenses, still up in the air. Guess that's because I don't really understand them. I've read on the forum anywhere from 60mm to 100mm. I'm not a Vammer so don't think I'll have any need for a super close up macro - just good clean shots of the whole coin.
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 Posted 04/03/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, here's what you're looking at. Canon entry-level dSLR's, the Rebel series, evolved like this:

300D/Rebel, 6MP, 2003
350D/Rebel XT, 8MP, 2005
400D/Rebel XTi, 10MP, 2006
450D/Rebel XSi, 12MP, 2008
500D/Rebel T1i, 15MP, 2008
550D/Rebel T2i, 18MP, 2010
600D/Rebel T3i, 18MP, 2011

There are two slightly-downmarket models. The 100D/Rebel XS, 10MP, 2008 - this is the model you'll currently find Bobby131313 posting stupid-good images from on the forum - and the 12MP 1100D/Rebel T3 of 2011. They differ only from their big brothers in the range of adjustments/capabilities, not in sensor quality or anything relevant to shooting coins, or even normal photography to someone who isn't a pro or shooting sports.

I've owned a 350D and 450D; some of my best shots were with the 350D. This is probably your target. You should be able to find a 350D for less than $300 used. If lucky, that will include the stock 18-55 kit zoom lens.

Canon has 3 Macro lens models, 50mm, 60mm and 100mm. The "longer" the lens (bigger numerically), the farther you can be from the coin to get a given-size image. It is my opinion that the 50mm Macro will not return results much better than the 18-55; it is somewhat superior optically, but probably not sufficient to justify its' $300 price ($200+ on ebay). The larger macro models will definitely cost more than the camera itself; if you can get into a 100mm Macro for $400, you're doing well indeed. In fact, the 60mm is tough to find at that price.

The 18-55 is capable of taking decent coin images. I did this with the 450D/18-55:

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The original image was about 1100 pixels in diameter (as always, I refer to the coin only), where the 100mm Macro will return the same image at 2200-2300 pixels in diameter. I also had to postprocess it for sharpness.

The 18-55 is more difficult to use, being more exacting in the setup required to find its' "sweet spot" and less-forgiving than the dedicated Macro lenses. It's all a tradeoff - more money buys you more leeway for setup and bigger pics.

Were it mine to do, I would encourage everyone going the dSLR route to buy the camera with the stock lens, and learn to shoot coins with it before graduating to the 60 or 100mm. This forces one to actually learn about photography - the dedicated Macro lenses are such a slam-dunk improvement that one can produce superior images with them 10 minutes out of the box and with only the most basic of knowledge.

Whereas, using the kit lens will make the whole dSLR package much more useful to you in regular photography. Then you'll understand why people are willing to carry those big, bulky cameras around sightseeing rather than a convenient, pocketable point-and-shoot. Even a cheap dSLR with a cheap lens is an order of magnitude better than any P&S. And if you're gonna drop that kind of coin on a camera, you might as well learn how to maximize its' value to you.

OK, that should give you a feel for the minimum money required to get into a dSLR. Please feel free to ask for any clarification you need.
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 Posted 04/03/2011  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
OK SD thanks for that very good info. Printed it out and I'm off to the flea market (the big one). If it's like most Sundays there's always quite a few camera sellers out there.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastorals to your friends list
Sidekick said "Thanks SD. Just wanted to make sure. Decided to jump off the deep end and get a Canon dSLR on the cheap; i.e. used. Just wanted to make sure I'd have that computer-controlled photography I've read so much about on the forum"
Just a side note. I guess maybe I'm a goofball but I use a somewhat different approach. I download photos from my camera using the EOS Utility, also provided by Canon with EOS cameras. EOS utility downloads my pics and puts them directly into my Graphics Editor (Paint Shop Pro X2) The EOS Utility also enables me to tether my camera to my PC and control it from there. I do have Zoombrowser but never use it because, for me, my way is easier and faster.

Just my Two Cents worth. -

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 Posted 04/06/2011  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That's an efficient workflow, pastorals, and another proof that the EOS Utility is some pretty decent software.

The feature the OP is most interested is actually shooting from the keyboard, without ever touching the camera. In a coin photography scenario, especially when you have more than one coin to shoot, there is no other process that comes close in terms of ease and efficiency.
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 Posted 04/06/2011  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
I wasn't aware of that EOS Utility but will certainly give it a look. If it allows you to tether the camera to the computer and shoot that way, sounds much the same as Zoombrowser. Didn't even know what EOS was until I looked it up the other day. But didn't have much luck at the flea market so went back to ebay and ended up with this. One of the cameras recomended by SD. Comes with the Cd's so I assume all the software will be there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...:RTQ:US:1123
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 Posted 04/06/2011  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastorals to your friends list
Sidekick you'll love that camera. With the right lens(s)you will be able to do just about anything you want with it. My first camera was a 300D and it was great. I upgraded to my present camera,a 50D, mainly because I used to shoot a lot of fast moving motorcycles and atv's and I needed some of the goodies available in that camera. I hate to mention the lens I bought for it... a 70-200mm, f2.8,IS monster. What a joy to use.

Here is a sample of what I used to shoot -

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 Posted 04/07/2011  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list
Those are some great shots pastorals. Very professional looking. Was looking at your exposure time 1/1000 sec. Seems impossible but there it is.
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 Posted 04/07/2011  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastorals to your friends list
Well, actually 1/1000 is too fast. I usually liked to shoot action like this at 1/250. The slower shutter speed blurs the wheels so it looks more dynamic. 1/1000 stops the action and makes it look more static.

I had a lot of fun shooting this sort of stuff. I was a park ranger at a 2600 acre dirt bike and atv park in Florida. Worked there for 11 years before retiring. Shot thousands of photos like these two.


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 Posted 04/07/2011  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Sidekick, what's called the "EOS Utility" is a complete software package that comes with Canon cameras, yours included. Everything pastorals and I are talking about comes with it, and operates interconnectedly (is that a word? It is now. .

It also comes with something called PhotoStitch, which you can have an absolute ball with, should you choose....

I believe you've made a decent purchase. For coins, you're going to want to use that lens zoomed to 55mm - that's the end of the zoom range that will give you the most distance from the coin, giving you the most lighting options. Even so, you'll only be about 12" from the coin, and a Morgan will be about 1000-1100px in diameter, with smaller coins proportionally less.
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 Posted 04/08/2011  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list
What about Breeze-Systems as a remote utility?
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 Posted 04/08/2011  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastorals to your friends list
I am not very familiar with the Breeze System. I have heard good things about it, though. The only thing negative is that it costs $175.00

The software that comes with Canon cameras, EOS Utility and Zoombrowser are free. But if you already have the Breeze software, then by all means use it.

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 Posted 04/08/2011  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I have the Breeze Systems software for Canon - only ran me $100 back in the day - and I quite like it.Bought it because the current versions of Zoombrowser back then had compatibility problems with XP.
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