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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I never actually saw a coin melted. I think a lot of coins stay around as bulk bags of bullion in face value amounts and never get melted. I suppose some do get melted. It is interesting. I wonder what effect this has on surviving common date XF mercury and Roosevelt dimes, Washington quarters, Walkers Franklin's and Kennedy halves. Jeeze, someday you would think that the 1960's Franklin's could be as scarce as pre 1940 Walking Liberty halves. Common could become semi key dates if they really did melt all the coins that were sold with a refining fee attached.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, if this so called silver shortage continues, I imagine the industrys which needs the silver will have to attempt to keep shaking it loose from the public (us), and continue melting it down. Which in turn should continue to make certain coins more rare than before. So that is the one good factor of it IMO....
Edited by Silverhawk74 04/26/2011 8:18 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
309 Posts |
The melters aint gettin' mine.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: Such an end-user isn't going to know or care where their raw silver came from, just so long as they got as much as they needed. I haven't seen much of it lately, but on the first boom we'd get silverware that instead of being sterling (925) was marked "coin silver" (900, occasionally 800). The story goes that Washington supplied silverware to make the first US coins (pretty sure the story's been debunked), but it's definite that the process moved in the other direction.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: I never actually saw a coin melted. I think a lot of coins stay around as bulk bags of bullion in face value amounts and never get melted. I have heard many stories from some silver dealers and the smelters where they used to dump $1000.00 bags full of BU Morgans in the fire (so to speak) one right after another. And I am not talking about20-30 bags full I am talking about thousands of bags full of them, so they are definitely melted down. All of them may not be but I am willing to bet when silver hits highs like it has not more than you would ever think have been shipped to the smelters than the dealers just have hanging around their shop collecting dust. I have talked to a few dealers that had a shop in the early 80's and that was their whole business model, they would buy and sell bags full of silver coins, that was it. And they made quite a big hunk of money doing it also
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Common silver proof sets were sold in the millions. If 99% of them got melted, that still leaves 30-40,000 for date collectors of proof sets, which I guarantee there are nowhere near that many of.
Is 30,000 rarer than 3 million? Absolutely. Does it make a difference? Not a whit.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: I have heard many stories from some silver dealers and the smelters where they used to dump $1000.00 bags full of BU Morgans in the fire (so to speak) one right after another. And I am not talking about20-30 bags full I am talking about thousands of bags full of them, so they are definitely melted down The gubmint melted hundreds of millions of Morgans early last century. They still were available BU by the tens of millions 50 years later, at face. If dealers dumped a thousand bags into the smelter, that's still only one million. One dealer had a fleet of armored Ford vans that did nothing but take silver coins from IN to NY, much of it bound to Comex. One of the half-dozen Comex approved brokers bought and sold 1000 bags in one day. A friend of mine melted 6000 Columbian Expo halves in 1980. Has anyone noticed any particular scarcity of them?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: I am willing to bet when silver hits highs like it has not more than you would ever think have been shipped to the smelters than the dealers just have hanging around their shop collecting dust. You're overlooking one major point. Why are those coins gathering dust? Because collectors were not willing to pay even a small fraction of what they are now worth as scrap. We've seen it on this forum. "I got a great deal on some Barber halves on a bid board, only $12 each!" Five years ago, that same collector would not have paid $8 each for the same coins. They haven't gotten significantly scarcer, and there aren't significantly more Barber half collectors, so why are they a bargain at 50% higher than the price they were turned down at five years ago? Solely because they have a $16+ scrap value. And when silver prices fall again, they will gather dust at $8 again. That's not a guess, it's a fact. Anyone trying to convince themselves otherwise is only kidding themselves.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Well, if this so called silver shortage continues - Silverhawk What we are likely seeing is a shortage of the easily obtained silver on Earth. We need to consider that 3/4 of the Earth is covered by water and likely contains 3x as much silver as the dry land portion. It's just not as easy to get at as the land-based silver deposits. Also, silver is a dense material, so it is likely to be found in increasing concentration with depth in the Earth. 100 miles down in the Earth is likely to be MUCH richer in the silver, gold, and platinum type metals than the surface of the Earth. All we need is the incentive to develop the technology for getting it. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: I don't like the melting either, as it would erk me to work at the refinery, and have the job of melting the nice old rare coin sets possibly.... A couple months in a refinery would quickly teach people just how common some rare coins are. Just like prices crashed on ebay once people realized just how common their "rare" collectables are.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
902 Posts |
Do not melt unless they are so bad you can't tell what they are.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
902 Posts |
Would you want your melted coins to end up looking like this ? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
I would not wish that on ANY coin... melted or not. 
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Valued Member
United States
397 Posts |
Where do you get your silver refined at?
I really don't ever want to have any of my coins (other than severely damaged ones) melted, however I do have sterling that I'd love to have turned into bars/ingots/rounds.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I didn't know coins now came with accessories...
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