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Quote: By the way SuperDave, it's September now, have you started putting together your new setup? End of September/first or second week of October, the way things are proceeding. How does something like this configure with an MZ7, or is that a different system entirely? I'm thinking the MZ7 lends itself to a single-point mount with camera attached (as it's used with the bespoke imaging hardware) or in a rigid two-point mount, one for the camera and the second for the MZ7. That would need precise engineering to accurately locate the two mounts. If it's to be a single-point mount, the likely solution is a point-and-shoot as opposed to hanging a heavy dSLR off the lens. A Canon A650 would do nicely - 12.1MP, half the weight of a dSLR and it's the newest P&S which is compatible with remote shooting....
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Pillar of the Community
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Luckily Bausch & Lomb did the engineering long ago for the MZ7 mount and it is superbly rigid and flexible. Here's my MZ7 setup sans lighting. Tucsen 3MP is C-mounted. The specialized mounting bracket B&L designed for the MZ7 has a mounting hole for Nicholaus illuminator as well so you have an immediate, optimized lighting configuration available. SuperDave, I have several of these setups that I've picked up over time if you are interested in putting something like this together. 
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Pillar of the Community
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By the way, I've often thought of configuring one of these MZ7 brackets for camera use. Maybe I'll give it a try and see how it looks. The horizontal bracket is removable and it leaves a precision machined flat mounting surface to play with. A single 1/4" hole in the plate would allow a bellows or tripod-mount lens to be mounted, or a camera directly. The more I write about it the more interesting it sounds. One setup could work for a full range of applications...
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That is a stronger-looking mount than I expected. Makes great sense to "dangle" the lens. I'm still left wondering whether the added 20oz of a dSLR, plus whatever t-mount hardware is necessary, would find whatever flex is available in the mount.
A multipurpose mount seems like a fairly easy task. The bellows/rack would be a permanent component - MZ7 not needing a bellows - and with the use of high-leverage wingnuts, a truly "quick-change" system could be had.
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OK, I built it... I've got so many projects going right now my bench is overflowing. But all are interesting. See the pic below. From left to right, front to back: Setup with un-modified Vivitar bellows Latest Setup with MZ7 mount modified to accept Novoflex Bellows and 80mm EL-Nikkor My original MZ7 setup Recent setup with modified Vivitar bellows and 80mm VHE lens (on top of cabinets) workhorse setup with latest RSD Directors and 75ARD1 It turns out the MZ7 mount puts the lens out too far from the stand center axis to use any "tall" bellows, ie ones that have the lens axis far from the mount. This keeps the Vivitar, Pentax, and Nikon bellows out of the question. Smaller, shorter bellows are in order, but none of them have a lot of travel. The two I found to work are the Novoflex as shown, and the Spiratone MacroBel (you can see one of these in far right of picture). The Novoflex I had available is an elegant solution since it has a M42 mount on camera end and native M39 on lens end, so it is set up for use of enlarger lenses without adapters. A problem with any of these setups is choosing the correct lens focal length to image the full range of coin sizes given the short range of travel available. Usually 105mm lenses are too long, and the setup can't adjust that high. Even if it could, the rigidity may suffer. This limitation makes it difficult to get a whole Dollar in the frame. On the other end, 50mm is too short, and it is hard to get a bellows that has a short enough minimum extension to keep the magnification low enough for Dollars. The usual length that works is 75mm, so most of the setups I build use 75mm lenses at their core. This latest setup is a little odd in that 75mm was too short to fill the screen with a Cent. The bellows could be lowered but then the stand interferes with the camera flash extension. I could rotate the camera 180-deg but I try to set things up so they will work in any orientation. So it turns out the optimum length for this setup is 80mm, and the 80mm EL-Nikkor I mounted works great. Of course the bellows comes off, and a MZ7 can be mounted similar to what's shown in the picture below in 2nd row back... 
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Here are some pics taken with the latest setup, 80mm EL-Nikkor on Novoflex Bellows and MZ7 Stand. The 80mm is a very nice lens. These are stopped-down to f/8. The two pictures essentially prove that the setup has the adjustment range to image full-sensor shots of Dollar and Cent. It can actually go a bit beyond on either side smaller and larger...  
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I love the clock. Beyond that, it's going to take some time to digest all this. You are one industrious fellow; I'm having trouble keeping up. 
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I got that clock in an antique mall in Reno for (ironically) $20. I put my basic setups back together, and took the opportunity to incorporate all my lighting upgrades. Here are the two setups, on the shelf where they belong to keep my desk free for projects and to keep the cables (mostly) around the back of the cabinets:  You might notice the odd reflector on the MZ7. I wanted to have a more directional light than a ring light, but even closer to axial than most ringlights provide. But when I took the reflector concept and applied it to the MZ7, I got too much flare. MZ7's are prone to flare anyway, so you have to be careful. So I cut the tip off a yarn cone and glued it to the reflector. now I can point the light any way I like and it does not cause the MZ7 problems. Here's a view from below:  This setup does reasonably well for high mags. Here is a magnification sequence showing a 1956-D RPM #1. Coin is in a holder, so clarity is not as good as it could be. Also, these are single images, no stacking, and are done with the Tucsen camera, which does pretty well but is not the greatest. Note I've installed a 1.5X C-mount Multiplier on the MZ7. It helps in maintaining parfocality. Also note the Tucsen sensor is quite small (I don't actually know the dimensions) so adds even more apparent magnification. First image is at 10.5X (7X on body, 1.5X multiplier); second is at 4.5X (3X on body), third is at 1.5X (1X on body). Finally, you'll see some flare in the first image. There seem to be some reflections floating around in the MZ7 at highest mag. I may need to add some flocking inside the camera mount. All caveats aside, here are the images:    The sweet spot for the MZ7 is around the 5X range. It actually does OK at higher mags but the DOF suffers and you need to stack. I'm actually amazed it does as well as it does at 5X, but what's really going on is the effective aperture is fairly small so DOF is good. It's major benefit is the super long working distance, allowing most any lighting setup you prefer to use. And since it is parfocal, the working distance does not change with magnification. With the 1X objective mounted, WD is about 3-1/4" even at 10.5X. Finally, here are some images of my reference 1957-D Toned Lincoln Cent with two lighting styles. The earlier picture of my two setups shows my full-size imaging setup with two RSD Directors and a Cone Reflector (third light). The pics below show the '57-D Cent first without the third light, and then with it. I'm curious which pic people like best. I'm not happy yet with the relative brightness of the 3rd light and may try moving it farther away to cut down on the highlighting it causes on the shoulder and chin. But here it is for comments.  
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Valued Member
United States
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Ray,
Do you customize your builds for each project? Which set-up would work better for cataloging a coin collection (cent/dimes through large dollars, 20th century)? I am looking for taking photographs of whole coins, but having an option to document varieties.
regards, Pavel
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Pavel...I much prefer to build each setup as custom for the application. I have built a few "stock" setups and sold them to folks but I'm always a bit hesitant to do this since I'm always unsure if they will meet their full needs.
For your application, the most basic setup to get the job done would be:
- Modified Bausch & Lomb A-Stand - Modified Vivitar T-Mount Bellows - 75mm f3.5 Spiratone Flat Field Macro Lens (for full coin shots) - 35mm f3.5 Spiratone Macrotar Lens (for varieties) - Pair of Jansjo Gooseneck LED Lights
There are options for stands, bellows, and lenses depending on other applications. For instance, would you ever want to mount your camera directly to the stand? Would you ever want to mount a stereo microscope to the stand? Is approx 5X magnification enough for your variety photos? Etc. In the end, budget vs quality and functionality are the tradeoffs we can discuss if you are interested in proceeding...Ray
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Valued Member
United States
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Ray,
Thank you for this recommendation, I have been thinking along the same lines as well. The modifications that you make to a stand and bellows are they too complex? Do you have any images of the stand and bellows mounts (like how it is actually connected together, do you drill the holes through a stand and bellows?) I really like the way your coins stand out in the pictures, you have done a marvelous job describing your experiences on this forum!
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Thanks Kamorka! It's been fun getting to this point. I've learned as I went and have tried to document it all along the way so others can benefit.
For the stand modifications, you basically do the following: - Remove the hoop mount where the microscope pod mounts - cut a piece of aluminum bar stock to the appropriate length to use for the bellows mount - Drill and tap 4 holes to mount the bar stock where the hoop mount used to be - Drill a hole for the 1/4" bolt to mount the bellows - Reassemble the stand with the bellows mount
The bellows modification is just removal (hack saw or band saw) of the lower 1/4" mounting tab. With this tab removed, you can mount either the front or rear bellows "standard" directly to the bellows mount. You'll need to install a small spacer (I use sticky felt pads) to keep the movable standard from rubbing and interfering on the mount.
I haven't taken pictures of the process, so the description will have to do. You can make out a lot of the details in various pictures within this post...Ray
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Valued Member
United States
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WOW! I'm really glad I finally came across this thread.
Ray, are these set ups still available for sale?
I would need a camera for the set up as well. What can I expect to pay for a "reasonably" good DSLR camera to use with your set up?
Thanks.
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Pillar of the Community
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Gary...I'm still building setups for folks. I build each setup to the user's requirements, so we'd need to discuss your needs and I can give you a few options to fulfill them. FYI, my recommended camera right now is the Canon T2i, as I've been getting excellent results from it after replacing my Nikon D7000. You can pick one up for <$500 these days...Ray
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks very much Ray. I tried to email you off the board here but I guess I'm still considered to "new" to email members on the board. Would you mind trying to email me and I can let you know what I'm looking for.
THANKS.
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