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Why Is Silver So Low When Gold Is So High?

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 Posted 07/29/2011  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCoinBoi to your friends list
In the future years, I could see this changing due to medical and technological advances.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I have been wondering the same thing....

It as if many now see the dollar and its problems and are turning to gold first, and that is creating a chain effect. More buyers, higher prices, and it continues. That tells me, many are not afraid to get into gold regardless of its current price....

I agree with much of that R11, but eventually that 16 to 1 factor is gonna kick in, as the ratio widens to far from gold. If gold keeps climbin, I think silver is gonna hit 50 again real soon, and once it passes that psychological figure, I think sky is the limit, for reason Silvercoinboi pointed out....
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 Posted 07/29/2011  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCoinBoi to your friends list
:D Hopin it reaches the sky!
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 Posted 07/29/2011  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrestling_135 to your friends list
I'm hopin silver goes up!
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 Posted 07/29/2011  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Freedom to your friends list
Silver has been strongly manipulated over the past 50 or so years. Look back at the Hunt brothers, different manipulation technique than what the banks are doing now, but it was still manipulation.

Silver is quickly following the rule of diminishing returns. It is a "Throw Away" PM used for industrial/medical/technology. The mines cannot keep up with the demand but the bankers keep making raids with paper silver which drives the price down. The last two attempts at this manipulation have failed costing the banks millions when the contracts come due for physical delivery.

Silver is also starting to run its course with the mines having to go deeper and deeper to reach the PM. It is starting to "Dry Up" around the world. Central America is starting to explore their Silver resources as of this minute but it takes roughly 5 - 7 years from the time of exploration to the time when the Silver can come from the ground.

In short, Silver will reach that magical number of $50.00 and then probably double that in the next 5 - 7 years. It should hovering around $85.00 dollars right now, but thanks to the manipulation of silver it is half of what it should be.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
As I see it, the main difference between silver and gold as a precious metal investment is silver has the added industrial demands and is not stock piled. This gives it an added volatility subject to economic conditions. Right now the economic numbers in the US are looking worse (GDP dropping).
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 Posted 07/30/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I think it's because silver still has applications beyond being a store of value like gold is. It's bought in large amounts by the people who use it so that keeps the price way down.

I don't know much about the mining process, but perhaps it takes more manpower to mine gold.?

How much silver is in the average modern electronic device today? Imagine how much a cell phone would cost if the price of silver was as high as that of gold - you don't want that.
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 Posted 07/30/2011  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list


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In the future years, I could see this changing due to medical and technological advances.


Most of this talk has been advanced by people who want to visualize silver as being of medical importance and present silver , elemental, oxides,colloidal, etc., as something new and vital. Their claims are generally made in blogs or websites with little or no evidence to back up the claims. The effects of silver on microorganisms has been known for more than a century, but other techniques, generally have much better results.

If you really want to research this, search out only articles that have been written in peer-reviewed journals, other wise you are going on basically hearsay.Silver products are used in medical areas, but use micrograms or less in a product.

Here is s NIH listing of toxicity reports on silver TOXICITY that are peer-reviewed, and will never be found on a bullion site.

http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/s...+@DOCNO+7056

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 Posted 08/01/2011  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list

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isint silver supposed to be going up along with gold it was higher a few months ago than it is now I mean 39$ and gold is at 1615$ whats the deal with this?


Look at the historical ratios of the two metals. Currently the ratio is about 40:1, 40 ounces of silver to one ounce of gold.

A few months back the ratio was 60:1. In 1964 it was a government mandated 27:1. In 1979 it was 16:1 because of the Hunt Brothers silver market squeeze.

Silver is an industrial metal AND a monetary metal. Gold is not. So you are effectively comparing apples and oranges and getting misleading results.

One of the historical uses of silver was for photography. That is not true any longer with digital cameras. So, that reduces silver demand, hence silver prices. Gold was never used for photography, so it does not exhibit a lower demand curve based on photography. This results in a wider ratio between your apples and oranges (gold and silver).

My best GUESS is that the true ratio between the two based on CURRENT demand is somewhere between 35:1 and 40:1, roughly where it is now. Decades ago the ratio was a GOVERNMENT MANDATED 27:1, most likely defective like all other government mandates.

Bottom line is I would buy either gold or silver at current ratios. If the ratio goes back to 50:1, all new money would go in silver. At 60:1, gold would be sold and all of the money put in silver.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list

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How much silver is in the average modern electronic device today? Imagine how much a cell phone would cost if the price of silver was as high as that of gold - you don't want that


I just saw a Goldline ad that claims there is about 50 cents worth of silver in a cell phone. So the price of silver could double and it would only add about another 50 cents to the price of a cell phone.

I don't know if its true or not but I've heard estimates that there is about 500 lbs of silver in a cruise missile. Silver is a must have metal for high tech weapons, there is no substitute, it is the world's best conductor by a lot. Or so I've been told by EEs, I'm just an ME.
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Speaking of electronics...It is true that Silver has a higher conductivity than gold (*108.4% {pure} IACS [International Annealed Copper Standard} vs 70% {pure}), gold does not tarnish (nothing glitters like gold) like silver. It still amazes me that some people market gold as being a superior conductor, when they should be touting the stability (corrosion resistance) of the material. Besides, gold is much more flashier!

* http://www.ndt-ed.org/GeneralResour...sc_Matls.htm
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 Posted 08/01/2011  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list

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isint silver supposed to be going up along with gold it was higher a few months ago than it is now I mean 39$ and gold is at 1615$ whats the deal with this?


Silver has been going up along with gold but the high that we saw near $50 was probably due speculation causing it to overshoot on the upside.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
The talking heads on CNBC today had this discussion. Industry is down and with all of the bad press the economy is getting they don't look for demand to be rabid anytime soon for silver. I think they are completely correct because I think when gold gets much higher it will be out of reach of most investors and silver will start to catch up as a precious metal play. I only have about two pounds of fine silver but I am going to be adding to that when I hit my goal amount of fine gold.
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I don't know if its true or not but I've heard estimates that there is about 500 lbs of silver in a cruise missile.


Sources I have found on the internet says 15 kg of silver, about 33 avo. lbs or 482 troy ounces. Some sources may have changed the oz. to lbs.

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The last two attempts at this manipulation have failed costing the banks millions when the contracts come due for physical delivery. - Freedom

One would think that after bashing their thumbs like that they would learn not to swing that hammer! Good on 'em, though.


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It should hovering around $85.00 dollars right now, but thanks to the manipulation of silver it is half of what it should be.

On behalf of silver buyers everything, I say this to those who have suppressed the price of silver: THANK YOU!!


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I don't know much about the mining process, but perhaps it takes more manpower to mine gold? - Libertad

A lot of the gold and silver that comes from mines, does not come from dedicated gold or silver mines. It comes from the copper mines. I don't know the exact numbers but... it would be something like this... for every ton of copper than produce, they also produce a pound of silver and an oz. of gold. In some mines, the value of the gold and silver they recover is enough to pay the fixed costs of their copper mining operations.


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Most of this talk has been advanced by people who want to visualize silver as being of medical importance and present silver , elemental, oxides,colloidal, etc., as something new and vital. Their claims are generally made in blogs or websites with little or no evidence to back up the claims. The effects of silver on microorganisms has been known for more than a century, but other techniques, generally have much better results. - DesertGem

I agree that there is a lot of hype out there but there is also some truth out there as well. As a person who is prone to eye infections, I can tell you that an infection that takes 8-10 days for a prescription antibiotic to cure can be cured MUCH more cheaply by a dilute silver sulfate solution in about 3 days. Considering that these infections are seriously painful as well as completely debilitating, I vote for the 3-day cheap cure vs. the 8-10 day expensive cure. I've know because I've used both. Maybe others have not had this same experience but this is how it is with me.


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I don't know if its true or not but I've heard estimates that there is about 500 lbs of silver in a cruise missile. - GoThunder

That seems to me to be an excessive amount. If someone said that a cruise missile contained 500 grams of silver, I could see that as reasonable. Satellites also consume a considerable quantity of silver and gold as well but I do not know how much... several pounds, I would think. Some of these things cost $300,000,000 or more, so they ought to have something in there that is pretty spendy.
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