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 Posted 11/25/2011  5:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Like Doug, I choose not to go stand in line all night, but instead treated myself to a little more expensive coin for this Black Friday. It was sold by a Spanish Dealer I buy from on a regular basis. It is attributed as Septimius Severus RIC IV 266:

OBV: SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right
REV: INDVLGENTIA AVGG, IN CARTH in ex, Dea Caelestis in elaborate headdress riding right on lion, holding thunderbolt & scepter; below, water gushing from rocks left

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According to a footnote in Sears, this type records some special mark of favor to Carthage, the capitol of Severus' native province. It appears to be connected to the city's water supply (perhaps a new aqueduct), but the details are not known. The principal female deity of Carthage was known to the Romans as Dea Caelestis, the "Celestial Goddess"

I have no other reason for buying this coin then I like the reverse. The INDVLGENTIA type of Septimius is one of the most picturesque and also one of the most common (in silver) of the period. Most people do not realize, however, that there are four distinct reverse types: 1) Dea Caelestis, looking front, riding a lion leaping to the right, holding a thunderbolt and scepter; 2) Dea Caelestis, looking right, riding a lion leaping to the right, holding a thunderbolt and scepter; 3) Dea Caelestis, looking front, riding a lion leaping to the right, holding a drum and scepter; 4) Dea Caelestis, looking front, riding a lion leaping to the right, holding a drum, no scepter. The first two varieties are the most common. The third variety is very rare. The last variety is extremely rare. Interestingly, the direction of the deity's head appears to have a chronological significance. Examples with the facing deity were struck late in 203, while those with the right facing deity were struck early in 204 (information obtained from CNG Electronic Auction 184 (19.03.2008).
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11/25/2011 11:14 pm
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 Posted 11/25/2011  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very, very nice - like the possible link to the aqueduct, makes it much more interesting to me. The patron goddess of Carthage riding Africa personified over the water supply, symbolism indeed!
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 Posted 11/25/2011  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that is a very nice severus. I like the reverse good find.
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 Posted 11/25/2011  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very nice looking coin!
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 Posted 11/25/2011  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, the type is available in Caracalla.

Without looking back at JW's post, can you tell me how this coin is different?
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The type also comes in bronze but the only one I own is a strange breed referred to as 'Cast in Gaul'. The asses are lighter than they should be, show signs of casting and are found in 'Gaul'. There are many types of cast asses. Sadly many dealers fail to mention their status when listing. They are ancient but not official.
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Don't pay big money for the coins missing the scepter. I have seen some advertised that I believe were missing it due to a weak strike rather than it being left off the die.
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 Posted 11/25/2011  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Curtis Clay, whom I have a lot of respect, has informed me that he doesn't believe the fourth type actually exists. He said "I don't believe in the fourth type, drum without scepter .....if it exists, an engraver's error or the result of incomplete strike or preservation"

I knew about the Caracalla coins. Wildwinds also mentions an AE As struck under Septimius Severus, RIC IV-1, 760.

I neglected to mention that one of the other reasons for wanting this particular coin was the bust type. Not only is it struck well, but Serverus' appearance is different from most of the coins I see for sale. It's also a superb portrait example.

I can see at least two differences from Doug's coin and mine, but I will wait to see if others can find them.
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 Posted 12/09/2011  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel like I hit the jackpot today. Not only did my London mint coins come, but so did this coin. It is a beautiful specimen. The images do not do it justice. I am pleased with my purchase of this and the London mint coins Here are my images:

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 Posted 12/09/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would think I hit the jackpot too if I received a coin like that. lol
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 Posted 12/09/2011  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice indeed
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