Wow Conder you are amazing. You have no idea I was convinced so long I had a 25, but the only thing missing was the rough areas on the end of America. Many of the reverse die characteristics were the same, noteably the lumpy areas above the C and T in CENT. I even did an overlay in photoshop and the dates match. Really had me going, wow. Okay, so what I have is the N-10 and N-25. Nanny, nanny, boo boo.