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1921 Morgan Dollar You Versus ANACS

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 Posted 01/18/2012  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll be in the minority but I'd say MS-65, maybe even 65+ as there is some really minor chatter but the cheek is cleaner than what I've seen graded 64. Gotta keep in mind this is a big coin.
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numismaniac: Westcoin, when was it slabbed?


Late October 2010, Had about 40 coins I sent in then, so it's a pretty recent grade return.

You guys are right about where I thought this baby would grade! Results soon. Nobody has gotten it the same as ANACS yet!
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 Posted 01/18/2012  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it came back 63 or lower I think they missed or there is something the photos are not picking up on. The reverse is a bit soft in places but strike should not affect the grade. I guess they're setting themselves up for re-submissions?
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 Posted 01/19/2012  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe my photos show a pretty accurate description of the coin, It does have a ton of luster, will post grades tonight after I get back from work on the 3 Morgans I posted this week and add some more for you guys to guess at.

Thanks for all the replies everyone.
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64!
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I feel I was robbed on this coin by ANACS, it will be going back for a second opinion. I had it at a very solid 64+ with a shot at 65. The luster is unreal and the cheeks are clean from marks, only a light scuff shows on the obverse.

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Let's call it a MS-64 for those that guessed that it was MS-64 I feel you were all right on. No way this coin deserves a grade of MS62 IMO. I'd buy all I could at 62 money if they looked this good!
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I feel I was robbed on this coin by ANACS, it will be going back for a second opinion.


I just seen this thread for the first time, but there is no way that coin is a 62! I agree with everyone else, and will say that the coin is at least a 64.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
62 is ridiculous, someone might have thought the spots were a 'problem' and net graded it.
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I mentioned this in another post on a different ANACS graded coin and I really think they undergrade their coins now. They are cheaper and easier to get coins graded, but I don't think they are as accurate as they should be.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say 64+
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I'm assuming the scratches under the eye are on the holder. typical sharp strike for the year. luster average but may be a little weak on cheek. surface preservation is AVG+ with minimum marks and scuffs on the obverse. the reverse probably would grade MS64+, obverse MS64. overall this is nice 21 and should be in a MS64 holder.
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Did you re-sub this one west?
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Panzaldi, yes the scratches under the eye are sort of semi circular are on the holder.

dave700x, never did resubmit this one, I did call them about it, but they told me at the time it would take around 30 days before they could get to it, no guarantees, so I never went any further, they also never gave me credit on the 5 coins I paid for VAM varieties to be put on, and they did not do that. October 2010 was when they went to ANACS for grading, it was the last time I used their services. Heck even the President was someone I considered a friend, and they never even returned my multiple phone calls over a $25 submission fee, on an order of $500+

The reason this popped back up was the photos were lost in the Photobucket fiasco, and I wanted to show GrapeCollects this coin. so I fixed the old missing photos.
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 Posted 07/12/2021  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's no way it's an ms 62. It would be ms64+ by me.
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Well I got good news, I found it myself!

The grade itself is plain inaccurate. I line up with everyone else in that this coin is an MS-64. I'd love to know what made ANACS think to cut this, but there's no way to know. Above average luster and strike for the date with the usual staining issues, I'd honestly see this at the top of the MS-64 range, either as a MS64+ or MS64A. If you still have the coin, what is that line running from the 1 in 1921 to the gap between Stars 3 and 4 left on the obverse? Looks sort of like a die crack or depression. Maybe that's why they cut it? Assuming that's not damage of some sort than yeah 64 is right. A bourse floor choice 64 every day.
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