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Separating Gold And Silver

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 Posted 04/03/2012  10:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trac to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone know of a simple way to separate gold from silver? Nitric acid will dissolve silver but not gold but afterwards the process of precipitation and silver recovery seem to be prohibitive for any level of production. Thank you
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Welcome to the board TRAC ! And the only think I could think of would be send it to melt. If they can't separate it some how then they would simply melt it down I figure, and all the slag remaining (the silver or other elements) would still be there separated....

Perhaps there is an easier way you could do yourself, but always be careful as harmful chemicals can kill a rookie novice chemist real fast. Just make sure you read up an take the advice from the wiser then I here an you will be fine....
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They have kits that you can probably find online that places like Pawn Shops use. It will help you find out if a piece is silver or not and the karat of the gold. It's only an estimate on the gold, because sometimes it might be a 16kt piece and the acids usually come in 10, 14, 18, and 22. As far as the silver goes, it will only give you a "yes/no" answer. To find out the purity, that will definitely need to be melted down, if not marked.
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I believe what TRAC is talking about is that the raw material he has is a combination of silver and Gold and he is looking at seperating them so that a sample that might be 65%gold and 35% silver can be seperated out so he has seperate gold and silver.

Is that right TRAC?
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Separating metals from each other is usually not difficult chemistry but it does require certain equipment that is likely not very cost effective for anyone doing this on small amounts of feed materials.

Yes, nitric acid will dissolve silver but not gold. The trick that makes this effective though is to have a very small particle size, so that you don't have a lot of silver occluded by large gold particles. A particle of silver wrapped in gold will not dissolve in nitric acid and will contaminate the final product. Because of this, the sample must be ground to as fine a powder as possible prior to acid leaching to remove the silver. Something like flour in particle size should be good enough.

Once the silver is in solution as silver nitrate, it should be possible to precipitate it back out via neutralizing the acid and adding ammonium chloride to produce highly insoluble silver chloride. This can be filtered off, washed with distilled water, and then roasted at high temperature in the presence of of H2 gas to drive off the resulting HCl. Any resulting HCl gas would then be trapped in a caustic scrubber to prevent it from harming anyone doing this work.

Note that H2 gas is highly flammable and forms explosive mixtures with air over a wide range of H2 percentages. Extreme caution is advised as is performing such work in a chemical hood device that is in good working condition.

Carbon might also work as a reducing agent but I'm not sure how well it would work. It works very well with oxides but might or might not be effective with chlorides. If it did work, then low molecular chloro-methanes would likely result. A hood would be needed to ventilate the work area.

As you can see from this explanation, a lab equipped for wet chemistry would be needed to do this work effectively and safely. A good knowledge of the safe handling and disposal of the reagents needed is also required.
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 Posted 04/04/2012  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that is just what I need, how do I prepare the correct acid concentration?
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Also, one other detail...I will be doing this in a remote jungle area, outdoors, not many fume problems.
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Just remember that acid fumes are very corrosive to both lung and eye tissue and wear appropriate gloves, an apron, and goggles.

Off-hand, I don't remember what the strength of concentrated nitric acid is... probably somewhere in the area of 65-70% HNO3 with the rest being water. You know that it is pretty strong stuff when it is opened and fumes come off the bottle mouth area. You could probably use this as-is, although having more liquid volume could be helpful in terms of mixing the acid and the ground particles. If dilution is needed, make sure that you pour the acid into the water and not the reverse. Dilution will create a lot of heat... sometimes enough to boil the liquid. It can spray out of the container it is in and would be very hazardous if it did, being both hot and corrosive. Have some cool water available for diluting any acid that gets away from you.

A bigger problem might be how are you going to grind these samples to a powder? A small ball mill should work well for that. The ones I used were small lab versions that used an electric motor to agitate the ball chamber. Samples were placed in the top of the mill, the mill was closed up, and then turned on for 20-30 minutes. The mill was then shut off and the powdered sample collected from a small pull-out drawer at the bottom of the mill. There might be hand-crank mechanical ball mills but I don't have any info on them.

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, trac!

Thanks for asking, might be handy to know.
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If dilution is needed, make sure that you pour the acid into the water and not the reverse.


Do as you oughta, put acid in water.

Putting water into acid can cause splattering as they react, and one thing you don't want is high concentrations of acid splashing around.
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trac,
You maybe better off taking your ore down to a concentrate level and then have a refiner work it down for you. You say you will be out in the jungle so maybe packing back the concentrates is not an option. But I have the feeling that you will find the process to be prohibitive for your levels of production.
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