This Is A New Approach On Ebay Listing...

They would be if ebay didnt cover it themselves, its not something ebay gives an option on they can just take it from your account if they want. If you send it registered theyd probably cover it would be my guess but doesn't mean they would.




The market share and the coins in pcgs slabs as well as their prices speaks enough of their reputation to stand on its own but thats actually irrelevant to my point.

But for the record that guy cant grade. He had that happen so much at PCGS NGC and ANACS hes no longer using them and resorted to self slabbing AGS and his "own graders". He wasnt even learning from his past mistakes since he made them enough to never want to use them again.

If other people are supposed to trust your grading your submission grades shouldnt leave you more surprised than a child on Christmas morning.




My point really was that that if your opinion of the importance of the label grade changes coin to coin youre no longer applying your own standards and have crossed over into predator territory. Yes the whole coin sellers are honest and trustworthy is really blown out of proportion and most of them do things like that but it doesn't make it right imo.

If you really think it doesn't matter dont use them. Or be consistent about it. Grade everything yourself and if you think somethings a 64 in a 65 holder sell it as such. I can respect that and would be more inclined to believe they could have some under graded stuff. But no one ever does that, its always trying to take on points to what the slab says.

Theres certainly coins that do get undergraded, I find it highly unlikely half his inventory seems to be them, and the coins in question certainly arent gold CAC candidates that people may be inclined to over pay a little for thinking theyd upgrade.

Rather theyre coins that pray on new collectors and uninformed collectors. One side of his mouth is saying the label doesn't matter when hes trying to charge you more, but the other side is saying it absolutely matters when youre trying to buy something else. If it matters when youre trying to buy another slab it certainly matters when youre trying to buy that one.

Like I said I dont personally care if someone likes or dislikes TPGs its not going to affect me, but whatever position someone has should be consistent. I do have a problem with people trying to sell a bill of goods like that though thats going to burn whoever buys it as theyll never be able to recover the sold grade price unless they take advantage of someone else in the same matter.

Stuff like that is one reason why a lot of LCSs are in trouble. Penny wise but dollar stupid. Great you got a little more from that and when the buyer figures it out your a snake oil salesmen theyll never give you another dime.

Whatever position someone takes on slabs just be consistent. It grows old seeing sellers whose position is constantly evolving according to whatever serves them best. Theres a big time seller like that in MD I wont mention who cracks stuff out sends it to different TPGs and after theyve all agreed its not what he wants he lists it like it is and sells the bill of goods about how the label doesn't matter. It obviously mattered enough to try and get it in the first place though.

By removing important grading details from the slab, I don't see how they can retain the PCGS brand to sell the coin. The seller obviously thinks he's clever, let's see if ebay agrees.

The whole "photoshopping out" of the PCGS labels on those coins is just plain fishy. I can't even imagine a beginner being fooled by this. Maybe I'm too much of an idealist. To me it's just common sense to pass on those. But, then again......

I get the other side of the argument to some degree, but intentionally blocking out the grade and barcode on a PCGS label is just stupid, IMO. The seller needs to get over himself. If he disagrees with the grade, then he can voice this in his description (i.e. grades MS61, but looks MS64), but, for the love of Pete, show the item for what it actually is, grade and all. Let the bidder come to his or her own conclusion based on ALL the information being provided. Give the potential bidders everything regarding this piece. That's just my honest feeling.

I agree 100%.

And I disagree as stated. The long and short of it is this. Far too many people have come to rely on and blindly trust everything PCGS says. They even allow their own quality cntrol to slip. I have received coins from Modern Coin Mart with literal gouges in them graded MS 69 in PCGS slabs. My wife could see the marks from across the room. No way at all any kind of QC was done, and we all know why. Because far too many people put so much faith in PCGS.

Now, given that I know this to be true, then if I do indeed agree with them on a coin, of course I will point out that they got this one right. But as conder said, and as all of you keep ignoring, if I put up a bogus grade from PCGS, not a single one of you would pay a bit of attention to what I said in the comments. And dont say you would, because know darn good and well you wouldnt. You will see PCGS said it is an MS61 and if you were looking for a higher grade, you would not even slow down to look. But I know that they messed up and I have a clear 64. I have two choices. Crack it out, and there goes any assurance of non counterfeit, or do something similar to what this guy did.

Now, given the sheer number of posts about people cracking coins out of slabs and not revealing it, where does that leave me? And yes, I realize that most of the times those are problem coins, but I have seen the post here and there where it was simply a case like this. And everyone nails the person to the cross regardless.

This guy FORCED all of you to actually read the description and then actually assess the coin FOR THE COIN. Biscuits to him IMO.

basebal, email coming your way sir.

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