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1964 'Accented Hair's Little Brother' - T2o-T1R

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 Posted 05/28/2014  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Speaking of rarity, it would seem that some think it nothing more than a regular half. I can see the line of thought...however..

It would seem that some recognize that it is more rare..try to find them and you will see. Some you can get cheap but not the slabbed ones IF the seller knows what he has. Then again maybe not but I believe there is something to this.

Case and point - not sold but still..


1964 PCGS PR68 Regular Proof Obv Die (Accented Rev DIE) Odd Transitionl Die Pair $149 PCGS PR68 AH type price right?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/37107167253....m1423.l2649



1964 Kennedy ICG PR69 DCAM Silver Half PF **Transitional Die** ICG $1200 - yeah I know it is a lot but still..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15129107294....m1423.l2649


"ULTRA RARE" 1964 Kennedy PF68 DDO-020 ANACS Silver Half PR Type 1 Rev. ANACS PR68 $450

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16129031209....m1423.l2649
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 Posted 06/29/2014  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I just thought of something.

If the new Gold 50th year Anniversary half will be of the original design, then one would have to ask if that would be the Accented Hair. My understanding is that it would not be. I would say it would not be, so therefore it would be a Type 2 Obverse with a Type 1 Reverse maybe? That would make it a copy of Accented Hair's Little Brother would it not? Interesting thought anyway.....

What about the Silver Proofs?


1964-'Accented-Hair's-Little-Brother'---T2o-T1R




Another thread with more information. I will try to keep all of them tied to this one. The interesting thing here is that someone discusses a Type 1 Reverse with a Type 2 obverse from the Philadelphia mint. Now that is one that I need to look into more for sure...

http://en.numista.com/forum/topic20...html#p264117
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 Posted 06/29/2014  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well some updated information from another board. Apparently these Type 1 Reverses were used in more coin runs that the Kennedy Book could have known. The argument is that there are multiple DDO's and DDR's types with this Reverse. It is good information to keep in mind. Maybe they are common...

Check out the link for the details...

"1964 Proof Kennedy Transitional Piece"

It will not let me post a link, Google the title above.

** What harm does it do to post a link to a pertinent forum? Is it that big of a deal? This is the only forum that will not allow it..strange.**
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 Posted 08/31/2014  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well out of 7 new sets (5)of which were unopened, I got lucky and found 3 Accented Hair Little Brother, 3 Cameo quarters (1 looks DCAM but I did not cut it out), 3 cameo dimes, and it appears 2 Cameo halves. Good Haul.

That being said, finding so many ACLB makes me wonder a bit. I got lucky in that I must have got a group that was very early in the mintage time. I looked with a loupe and found no double dies etc so that was sad.

Either way I am happy and I feel like I have expanded my knowledge of these. Maybe they are as common as some have said...

With that being said, why does ANACS slab them as a variety? They are the variety experts right?
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 Posted 02/21/2015  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I had the chance to cherry pick 16 sets. There was no AH nor his little brother. All I found of worth to me was one cameo quarter. This is not checking for DDO's however as time was an issue. These AH Little Brothers just might be more rare than we think.

At first I was convinced they are more rare than the AH itself, however since I found that I had some of them raw plus the ones I bought, I now think this is not the case, at least I lean that way. I do however think they are scarce and by that I mean if the AH is 100,000-120,000 mintage, these might be in the range of 250,000 or so.

Anyhow, that is what I am going with now. It is time for a new Kennedy book to be written....we have enough Lincoln books...

:)
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atsinger: You post large images (1000+ pixel range square) of the cameo halves? I've been working on a project on 1962 nickel proof nickels and I see a very close image of the surface that shows the cameo on the 1964 proof halves. I want a close up to show what causes it to be a cameo? I've got a MDS example (surface grained) LDS (plain-no grain) Just looking for a frosty one in the 1960-1964 years. Cameo's on these years are hard to find and worth a lot because they are EDS dies that have them.
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 Posted 02/21/2015  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will be happy to get what I can but I am not sure of what you want. I do not think it is Deep Cameo as that would be a early die state right?

Are you wanting pictures of 62 CAM nickels? I do not think I have one but I would have to look.

For sure no DCAM ones..
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I'm looking for an image to show what a closeup of a cameo would look like. Here is what I have so far.
1964-'Accented-Hair's-Little-Brother'---T2o-T1R

1964-'Accented-Hair's-Little-Brother'---T2o-T1R
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Ah I think I got it. I could use a modern to get the close up but I think you want one that is older. I have a 1964 DCAM Quarter that would work..I will have to get my nickle box out..

BTW VERY NICE PIC - that tells me what you are after. However like you say, getting one from 1960-64 is hard, very hard. Plus you want a Half....I do not have a DCAM half unless it is late 60's...I have Cameo but not DCAM. I will get a snapshot of a few and post for you later today.
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Yes I'm looking for one I don't. I'd like to see what you com up with.
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Coop - I am going to use your picture and start another thread. I have taken a bunch of pictures that I hope will help you. AT least it is what I have.....

I will post a link when done..it will be a long one.


COOP - here is the new thread..

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...p?FORUM_ID=5
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Looking forward to it.
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I know this thread is old but it is still relevant in some ways...I continue to watch 64 Kennedy's and the SMS coins and continue to learn information on them. As a spoof , I did a search on the Bay this morning...I was surprised to see what I did...

1st search

http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_n...047675.m4096

2nd Search (sold units)

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...edy&_sacat=0


Now what is neat is they bring only a small premium at this time, and I think the thread has the details as to why. I think they are more common than AH, yet much less common than 'regular'. I am sticking with the 200k number.


What has changed is this...

1964-'Accented-Hair's-Little-Brother'---T2o-T1R



Or so I thought until I see how the "Transitional Type One Reverse" was added. So today it seems that only ANACS will attribute this variety. Still I was excited for a minute when I saw this....especially at $149 but then the sold piles are not so nice..

Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a Kennedy Collector "Accented Hair's Little Brother" still has a special place in my book.

Good Day...


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Esinger, I was watching a transitional die from this morning. (Cam 68) Then I read your whole thread pages 1-4. Nearing the end, I thought nah I should pass. Then I saw you actually posted an image of the exact coin I was considering. I bought it! What the heck small premium. Besides, the careful self attribute in blue was a deal maker. Really enjoyed your thread.
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I read this thread and went through my 64 proof sets and found two with the straight g's. What should I do with them
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