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"Usa Act" May Kill Penny, Nickel & $1 Bill

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 Posted 08/06/2014  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you read the link I sent? Did you at least read the link you posted?

Not really a common thing now, is it?

Relax, the man is not out to get you. Besides, if they were out to get you, discontinuation of the cent would not give them any advantage that they did not already have.

Besides, you do balance your bank statements, right? Do you think you might notice if there were a few cents missing here and there?


It may seem like I am picking on you. I am not, really. I just do not think you understand that the benefits (of stopping cents) completely outweigh any costs. You seem to get it with the nickels and dollars. You seem to get it with a lot of the other topics here. I guess that is why I am really perplexed with your reasoning here.
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I don't see a reason I should read half of what you post, since you and nobody else reads mine? I have asked mutiple times "with no penny or nickel what is the purpose of a quarter?" and it has gone unanswered.

you will have a coin that has a value that has no function. You will only ever have use of 2 quarters, zero quarters, or 4 quarters as there will be NO "five cents" of the "twenty-five cent" coin.

The only response has been "nope we don't need a penny", but haven't address the other side of the coin (pun intended) as to why we would need a quarter without a way to make change for it or part of its denomination no longer used?

If everything is rounded to the dime, then the quarter must go with the penny and nickel. Otherwise to keep the quarter you must need one of the other: penny or nickel. The most useful one being the penny.

Which again brings back, if you must keep the penny, then you don't need the quarter, just the collar, dime and penny coins. There is no amount they cannot do that a quarter could do.

So when ANY of you addresses the quarter, then I will think about taking your knee-jerk reactions to just get rid of the penny seriously.

Again, it is all about math.


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Besides, you do balance your bank statements, right? Do you think you might notice if there were a few cents missing here and there?


I know when the little "have a penny, need a penny" tray is empty and I have $4 for a gallon of milk and the total comes up $4.01, I return home with $4 and no milk. I don't know where you people live that is so generous or has people throwing away money left and right like Paris Hilton wiping herself with $100 bills or Donald Trump just burning cash in his fireplace to keep warm with, but you live in fantasy worlds. And I am sick of people that lack the critical thinking of such things and just follow a crowd like lemmings. again, answer the question about the quarter and logistics of that in a realm of no cent or nickel to facilitate the need of the quarter or function of it?
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I have asked mutiple times "with no penny or nickel what is the purpose of a quarter?" and it has gone unanswered.
Well, when talking about eliminating the cent and only the cent, how is it really relevant?

However, I will bite...

If the nickel goes, the quarter could stay, but you have to be more cognitive of choices, as you showed above. That being said, the reality is that it should go if the nickel goes.

The dime would really take off though.


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The only response has been "nope we don't need a penny"
Yes, because while the cent needs to go, the nickel could stay with a materials change. Unlike the cent, this is possible. I hate to say it, but Canada does it!

Again, I will conceded to you that if we kill the nickel, then the quarter will probably go NIFC, if only by default (banks order less, the mint produces less). The mint might be wise to make it officially NIFC though, at least until the ATB program ends.



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So when ANY of you addresses the quarter, then I will think about taking your knee-jerk reactions to just get rid of the penny seriously.
Just did it. Pay up.



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I know when the little "have a penny, need a penny" tray is empty and I have $4 for a gallon of milk and the total comes up $4.01, I return home with $4 and no milk.
At lunch today my mate's bill was $7.02. Neither of us had a cent to spare, the cashier said not to worry.

My suggestion? Bring more money next time or find another store. If that happens to you more than once, well, I cannot help you there.


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I don't know where you people live that is so generous or has people throwing away money left and right
I live in the south. People are really nice here, if you are nice to them. I would not call a few cents "throwing it away."

However, some are more generous than a few cents. For example, another place I go for lunch rounds cash down to the dollar. My bill should be $8.90, I pay $8. Mom and Pop place. GOOD FOOD! By the way, keep in mind that if I had used a credit card there, they would not have received the full $8.90 then either.
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I don't see a reason I should read half of what you post, since you and nobody else reads mine? I have asked mutiple times "with no penny or nickel what is the purpose of a quarter?" and it has gone unanswered.

you will have a coin that has a value that has no function. You will only ever have use of 2 quarters, zero quarters, or 4 quarters as there will be NO "five cents" of the "twenty-five cent" coin.

The only response has been "nope we don't need a penny", but haven't address the other side of the coin (pun intended) as to why we would need a quarter without a way to make change for it or part of its denomination no longer used?

If everything is rounded to the dime, then the quarter must go with the penny and nickel. Otherwise to keep the quarter you must need one of the other: penny or nickel. The most useful one being the penny.

Which again brings back, if you must keep the penny, then you don't need the quarter, just the collar, dime and penny coins. There is no amount they cannot do that a quarter could do.

So when ANY of you addresses the quarter, then I will think about taking your knee-jerk reactions to just get rid of the penny seriously.

Again, it is all about math.


I actually mentioned the exact same thing (though in completely different wording) on a different forum a ffew days back, and got a surprising reply.

The dime.

You can get rid of the penny, nickel, and dime, and round everything to the quarter.

Sure, the rounding would be a right mess in practice, and there's yet no half-decent reason to get rid of the dime, but it's entirely possible mathematically.
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Neither of us had a cent to spare, the cashier said not to worry.


This translates the same in the Northeast. Six pack this evening $9.22 total. Gave the cashier $10.18 got $1.00 in change....no muss, no fuss. Happens all the time to me.....

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The Mint should do a three year hiatus on striking cents starting January 1, 2015.

If they did it would be permanent. In six to nine months businesses would have so much difficulty getting cents to make exact change they would go ahead and start rounding to the nearest 5 cents on their own without anyone forcing them to. They would stop even trying to get cents from the bank, and send any they did happen to get to the bank. After almost two and a half years of operating by rounding to the nearest nickel they would have no need or desire to switch back to using cents.
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Condor I initially was thinking a 1 year hiatus starting in 2015 but got to thinking that one year might not be enough time to see if people could manage without a one cent coin. I figured people would be cashing in their change jars thus putting more back in circulation.

I'm not opposed to rounding at all. It evens out eventually.

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 Posted 08/06/2014  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So when ANY of you addresses the quarter, then I will think about taking your knee-jerk reactions to just get rid of the penny seriously.

Again, it is all about math.


Replace the quarter with a fifth dollar. It's trivial. Thanks for actually telling us what your problem was. Australia already does this.

Or just pull the quarter: Russia's coins go from 10 kopeks to 50 kopeks with no intermediary. (although the kopek has essentially no value at this point)
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I have been mentioning the quarter for quite a while now.


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Well, when talking about eliminating the cent and only the cent, how is it really relevant?


Then you were the only one doing that. (see above)

I have been talking all along about the removal of the dollar bill (this fizzled out because most of us are in agreement), and the fact that the quarter could be gotten rid of and remember stating that they could keep the silly thing IF it is making enough money for collectors, but also always been saying we do not need the quarter and the nickel. You only zeroed in on the penny discussion while I was saying the penny would be needed to sustain the quarter as it and the nickel are what makes the quarter work at all. :S

also about replacing the quarter, we did away with the Twenty Cent Piece in 1855 or something like that? (oops, it only existed form 1875~1878, it was not well received.)


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Just did it. Pay up.


Due to the constant dismissal of half my argument all this time, I am lightly thinking, just lightly. But still do not see the ends justifying the means as there is no loss, except that SOME people throw pennies away. As they say "a fool and his money is soon parted", and "do not bandy words with fools". So I don't consider those that throw pennies away that we use examples for this as anything of real concern. Was there another point someone had other than the erroneous "losses" or those that throw away pennies? Until something useful comes about why the penny is hurting us so bad, I don't see a need for change for the sake of change. I have given much thought to it all this time (in ALL the threads about it) and still see the simplest answer to be the right one: dollar coin, dime and penny are the coins we should be using. it works mechanically, logistically and mathematically.
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I didn't read the full conversation fully because it is already 11 pages already and wouldn't want to pick and choose quotes.

I mainly wanted to say that I have probably made like 80 cents since we got rid of the penny. Every time I buy a medium coffee at Tim Horton's I save one cent with the rounding down because I pay with our one dollar or two dollar coin.

The only downside about losing the penny is that I can't CRH them anymore.

Edit: Plus I agree with nala for the Canadian perspective. We are pretty awesome.
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also about replacing the quarter, we did away with the Twenty Cent Piece in 1855 or something like that? (oops, it only existed form 1875~1878, it was not well received.)

Yeah, because it was competing with a coin (the quarter) that was already well-established. Remove the quarter and once again, people will use it. (as they already do in so many countries - 20 Australian cents, 20 euro cent, 20 British pence, 20 Singaporean cents)

No comment to the proposition of having no coin at all between 10c and 50c?

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It costs more than one cent to make

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I feel like I'm at a town hall meeting with some very passionate, articulate contributors.

We can banter here ad nauseum but know that whatever zinc/copper/nickel lobbyists that have a senator or 3 in their pocket are going to do everything they can to prevent the cent and nickel from being deep sixed. Just like the Crane Paper Company is fighting like heck to keep the dollar bill around. Who cares if it makes financial sense? It's more complicated than the bottom line. It's politics.

And yes if the cent and nickel go away (which I support), the quarter will have to be rethought. I think folks have already said in this thread to replace the quarter with a 20-cent piece, but it would likely be overall easier and/or more cost effective to just leave the dime, stop minting the quarter, and reintroduce the 50-cent piece (I believe that might have been covered above as well). However it's done I'm all for what is fiscally responsible for the country. Ending the cent and nickel will not bankrupt anyone (except maybe a zinc mine) nor keep someone from buying a loaf of bread. But it will have some repercussions that must be at least acknowledged.

Gee, who could have possibly guessed that this would turn into such a spirited debate?

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Gee, who could have possibly guessed that this would turn into such a spirited debate?


I know right, why in the world would a coin community care so much about coins? That is just silly


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No comment to the proposition of having no coin at all between 10c and 50c?

you didn't mention a 50 cent piece, only the 20 cent piece. you mentioned a 50 kopek or something like that from Russia, so I am confused what I should have said about it?

You pretty much know the coin choices I have made: dollar, dime, cent.

This also means it removes MY favorite coin (half dollar), but it makes sense as you can still do the math by reading the number of coins needed for payment or change directly from the price
$6.98

you need a 5, a dollar coin, 9 dimes, and 8 pennies.

I actually hate the dime because its size they always ran away from my hands, but doubt they will fix the size where the smallest coin has the smallest value, UNLESS that is their excuse for getting rid of the nickel and penny.

Maybe because I grew up with the Dewey Decimal system and had to use it in a public library (for those younger people this is what the internet was before the internet, where you could read things you didn't own.) but the decimal system is simple, it works, and is universal to pretty much EVERY country. the ONLY universal language with have in this world right now is math, so why not use it for the basis of our money like coins?

I do agree that the quarter should have never existed beyond the reale where people were allowed to pay with 2 chunks (bits) of it to get their shave and haircut. it should have always been 20 cent. but we need neither, and just the dollar, dime, and penny will do the job of ALL the other coins.


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It costs more than one cent to make


Welcome to America? McDonalds costs more than it take to make and people still waste money on it, and it is bad for you in the mass quantities a lot of people eat it in. at least the penny with what little copper is left has coppers anti-microbial properties and is somewhat a universal health care system for the country in that respects! so the penny costs twice as much and is pulling double duty. I guess its value to cost is pretty good then if it helps promote good health for those that use it.

again, I cannot support the idea that the amount it costs really means something unless it is actually putting us in some sort of financial crisis and the CEO bonuses that were paid with the TARP funds of $200 billion (the same number this act proclaims to save?) did a LOT worse to put us in economic crisis than the penny ever could. By the time the penny could break us financially as a country, the world will ahve stopped using money anyway.
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at least the penny with what little copper is left has coppers anti-microbial properties and is somewhat a universal health care system for the country in that respects! so the penny costs twice as much and is pulling double duty. I guess its value to cost is pretty good then if it helps promote good health for those that use it.

This is incredibly weak.

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By the time the penny could break us financially as a country, the world will ahve stopped using money anyway.

Is it always about extremes with you people? Do we need to wait until the country is literally collapsing to do anything?
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