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I must confess to a rather perverse pleasure in all of this .....
Almost worth the cost of purchase. Much more interesting (and educational !) than the standard look what I bought and the obligatory "Very nice" "excellent details" etc.
I just gave Nero a bath in acetone
Guess what ? The coin returned to the condition shown in sellers pics. Curious ......
I did apply a dab of "Blue Ribbon" coin preservative to it after it arrived but that did not change it much. And acetone is quite good at removing fake patination ie paint ! Curiouser and curiouser
Will post new pics after I devour my delicious breakfast which sits before me !
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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dwayne8625 - All his large bronzes are as fake as fake can be. The Agrippa is the same dies as those above.
TIF - I hadn't really looked at the CNG coin. Looking at it in detail I believe it to come from the same dies where they have worn the tell tale beard away. I need to do some more checking on this one.
Martin
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United Kingdom
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Martin beat me to it. Yes all the large bronzes look dodgy. You only have to look at the hair.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I feel for the "lucky" winner.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Would CNG take any action at this late stage?
Come on FR you have had long enough to eat, pictures please :)
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United Kingdom
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The CNG coin is certainly from the same dies.
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United States
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An acetone bath to remove the oil and like magic it returns to the original ! The coins I looked at in the previous post all had a 'fake' patina appearance. And the Agrippa screams fake ! I believe this one is also fake. But ...... the patination is so darn real looking !     After this I just may retire from the competition. I always felt the day would come when I could not detect fake bronze. I started to collect exclusively in bronze because I felt nervous about the 'gem' silver I was seeing being sold for big bucks away back in the 1980's. Now the bronze is selling for big bucks and the techniques of deceit are getting better everyday ! I think I will keep this one. I live several blocks away from a highly respected school (Worcester Polytechnic Institute). The local coin shop here is frequented by a professor whom I have discussed the subject with. This could be the ideal piece to have examined by some brilliant young minds (many of whom are foreign students who may be not unfamiliar with the topic !) I could send it to David Sear but he would probably only confirm something we seem to be 99.99% sure of already ! |
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So, do you know what they did to it to change it from the sellers pic to the way that you received it?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I imagine the same thing I did with it.
A dab of Blue Ribbon preservative gives most ancient bronzes a darker look. Much easier to photograph too !
Acetone will remove almost anything which has been applied to a coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Do you mind if I use your images to create a fake report on this coin?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you like I can send them direct to you.
I am rushed right at the moment but drop me a message with address.
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Such a shame, I thought you had picked up a beauty FR - You are right though that it has made for a far more interesting than usual thread.
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what a soap, never seen such a 'good' fake coin, which scares me too! I feel so sorry for you Jeremy!
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Barry Murphy has confirmed that the CNG coin is fake. "....looks decent in the photo, the color is pretty believable, but the style of the lettering is wrong. Glad I didn't catalog that one." He has informed CNG.
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