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New Member
United States
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Am thinking of selling some rare coins using Heritage Auctions, and am trying to estimate what my net proceeds would be.
Checking their past auction sales figures on my same PCGS slabbed graded coin indicates one recently sold for appr $ $7,000. But a notation next that price indicates that the amount includes the "buyers premium". How can I best estimate what such an auction netted the buyer? An example of estimating the net including the sellers and buyers commissions would be greatly appreciated...thanks for your help!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
589 Posts |
I believe HA has a 17.5% buyers premium for numismatics and 15% seller commission.
So, you'll want to remove the 17.5 off the total sale price, to determine how much the thing actually sold for, then figure 85% of that, which is what you take home. Note: there are still taxes that you may have to pay, the government wants its share.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The buyers fees on coins and currency is 17.5% That is added to the winning bid and is kept by HA (That is one of the ways they make a profit) So if something sells for $7000, the buyer pays $8225. $1225 going to HA.
You can either consign your coins to Heritage. You send your coins to them, they appraise the value and the reserve. If they feel that they need to be slabbed, they will send them to PCGS for you. They collect the money, package and ship the coin for you. All for a fee of course, This fee can escalate upwards of 30%.
Or, you can use HA as auction portal, sellers fees are negotiable but usually are @15%. They collect the money, but it is up you to package and ship and insure the coin.
All fees depend on coin, it's auction price and how much HA really wants to list and sell it.
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New Member
 United States
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Well that brings up the question whether its easier to just sell on ebay with their straight 10% commission. Any comments on disadvantages of selling on ebay?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
589 Posts |
The buyer on ebay can always claim SNAD. Then send you back something that isn't what you sent him. ebay will side with the buyer...all the time. Really, I mean ALL the time. The buyers are helpless little sheep and the sellers are money hungry wolves. The buyers can do no wrong, and if you think otherwise, you prove ebay's case about sellers being wolves. Selling things on ebay aren't always bad, but if it's something worth a lot of money, then if you want to take the risk, do it. If you don't want to take the risk, then take your item elsewhere. Plus, if you take a multi-thousand dollar coin to HA, you get access to people who have money and are interested in higher-end coins. You get a better chance to get top dollar.
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks for your quick reply....what does SNAD mean?
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Valued Member
United States
416 Posts |
not as described; they file a claim with ebay, return something other than your coin, get their money refunded to them, & keep your coin for free
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Heritage Sellers fees can be negotiated. I believe in some cases the seller may receive over 100% of the hammer price.
Edited by jimbucks 01/24/2015 12:33 am
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks for your replies... I know the danger exists but how would that happen with a PCGS slabbed coin?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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If it is valuable enough to sell @ Heritage you are in the top 0.1% [guessing] of all ebay sales. Won't you be happier with the lower risk? There are other auction houses who aim at different market segments... such as Great Collections, Lyn Knight, etc. I have no personal experience w/selling through any of them...
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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New Member
United States
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Why not look at GreatCollections? Better fee structure and all they will execute the transaction for you just like HA. HA is at 17.5% on their fee, you need to have some real good stuff and high value to negotiate a better price.
You also get paid much quicker via GreatCollections.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: You can either consign your coins to Heritage.... Or, you can use HA as auction portal.... I am also currently trying to decide how to sell some coins, in the $1000-4000 range. Most of the coins would need to be graded...I think if you consign the coins to Heritage they will send the coins for grading themselves. Would they charge additional for that, and if so, how does that compare to the cost of sending them in myself? If HA is used as an auction portal, would it still have the same advantages over ebay as far as risk to the seller goes? Or do you only have the added protection for consigned coins?
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New Member
 United States
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Judging from above posts, there is an inferred risk in selling through ebay in that the auction winner may make a fraudulent claim that the coin was SNAD which I guess is an abbreviation for not as advertised. I take it that the scam involves the winner of the auction switching the graded coin with a lower graded one. How would this work in the case of a coingraded and slabbed by NCGS? Would the recipient open the slab case and switch the coin out. Is this a real ebay auction risk that happens regularly?
Edited by provlima 01/25/2015 8:18 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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You have to pay extra, if you want the security that Heritage offers. Having said that, I would not bother with the most prestegious auction houses unless the individual lot has a potential value of at least $1k.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I know the danger exists but how would that happen with a PCGS slabbed coin? I assume you mean the SNAD/eBay return thing... You need to remember that being in a slab or not, being a coin or being a piece of high-priced technology, or being anything valuable, or really any item on ebay (but it's the high values where buyers tend to play games)...all a buyer needs to do is provide ebay with a tracking number that gets delivered back to you, the seller, and ebay will side with the buyer. The package sent back to you could be 100% air (i.e., empty)...it doesn't matter. It'd be up to you to prove to ebay the buyer sent you back something else/nothing at all. And that's really hard to do, since buyer protection trumps seller protection virtually 100% of the time. Plus, I'm not sure if you have an ebay account, or if you've ever sold anything before, but if not, ebay does set pretty strict selling limits to new sellers. In order to increase those limits, you need to become a more established seller with positive buyer feedback, since ebay needs to protect buyers from nefarious sellers. Quote:Would they charge additional for that, and if so, how does that compare to the cost of sending them in myself? If HA is used as an auction portal, would it still have the same advantages over ebay as far as risk to the seller goes? Or do you only have the added protection for consigned coins? Yes, they charge you for slabbing the coins. They'd probably be cheaper since they'd probably get bulk slabbing discounts, where you wouldn't, plus you'd have to get a membership with the TPG's (maybe not with ANACS, not sure) before you could submit coins or you'd have to find someone who had a membership (like a coin dealer) who could submit on your behalf (but they might charge you more for the grading than what it would cost since they need to make a living themselves) As the risk to the seller, I could be wrong, but I'd say that HA is much safer, most auctions are, than ebay. After all, if they have return policies, they're set in stone (i.e., if they had a policy of 3 days, and a buyer tried to return it on day 4, no dice, no exceptions). Plus, if a buyer tried to return an item that wasn't what was sold to them, it wouldn't fly, after all THEY know what THEY mailed out, they don't need to worry about you mailing the items to a winner, so if someone should try something, they have the upper hand AND the the resources to seek justice. Again, I could be wrong, but that's how I've viewed it.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: Plus, if a buyer tried to return an item that wasn't what was sold to them, it wouldn't fly, after all THEY know what THEY mailed out, they don't need to worry about you mailing the items to a winner, so if someone should try something, But above denco7 said: Quote: Or, you can use HA as auction portal, sellers fees are negotiable but usually are @15%. They collect the money, but it is up you to package and ship and insure the coin. If you use HA as an auction portal, and you ship out the coins yourself, wouldn't there be the same risk of the buyer claiming that you didn't ship them the correct item?
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