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I have this happen more frequently than I would like. The seller mentions better date coins contained in the lot and a better date is not in the lot. I know mentioning better dates does cause the auction amount to go higher. What do you do? Edited by buddy16cat
04/20/2015 2:38 pm
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Is there any official list of what a 'better date' is?
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A coin that is not a key but worth significantly more than the common dates. For instance, one listing stated an 1896 Barber dime in the lot. There is no "official" term for much. If there is a desire for a coin and less available, there price goes up. Edited by buddy16cat
04/20/2015 2:43 pm
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Really, if you go by ebay auctions, all common date coins are considered "better date" by some individuals. Personally, I stay away from auctions that do not have a clear description and photos of what the auction is for. If it is specifically mentioned to be in the lot I would call him on it. Edited by dave700x
04/20/2015 2:43 pm
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LOL, I see auctions where they list every coin as a key date. They do not mention the term "better date". That is my term. I usually will start by emailing the seller and let them know. Yes, it is better if they have a clear picture of what is in the lot instead of just piling them on one another so you can't see them all.
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04/20/2015 2:50 pm
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So, what you're actually saying is that, for instance, the seller says there is an 1896 in the lot, but when it arrives, there isn't? That's fraud & should be reported to ebay as such. |
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Never buy something you can't see :-) or you are taking a risk...
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LOL, I see auctions where they list every coin as a key date. They do not mention the term "better date". That is my term. I usually will start by emailing the seller and let them know The problem with that is one person's 'better date' is another person's normal coin... A coin with a 100,000 minted may be a 'better' or 'scarce' date for an American coin, but for a Newfoundland collector, that's a pretty common coin! Same thing with describing something as 'better grade' or 'high grade'- My 'better grade' may be MS60 or above, someone elses may be XF40 or above, and yours may MS65 or above... Trying to 'correct' someones subjective terminology is like trying to 'correct' someones preference in film or art, or food... |
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I know mentioning better dates does cause the auction amount to go higher. What do you do? Forgive my phrasing, but you do nothing. Like everything else in numismatics, "better date" is a subjective target. Your definition might not be mine. If specific dates are mentioned, you have traction. If no date is mentioned, even ebay will argue against you. This one's an unwinnable fight. |
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I was not talking about the use of the term "better date" but mentioning specific dates contained in the lot in the title, description, or both. This time in question mentioned this "We also saw the following dates 1864, 1865, 1875, 1879, 1885, 1890 & 1909". No 1885. I sent him a friendly email, telling him all the coins came as described, except there is no 1885. Perhaps he thought the 1895 was 1885? I did see a 1886 Type II in the pic, he didn't mention. Last time seller said there were 49 Indian heads, sent 45. He found one but requested a small refund and they sent it along with the found IHC. Scotched tape to piece of paper, oh how I love coins with tape glue on them  Edited by buddy16cat
04/20/2015 7:40 pm
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"We also saw the following dates 1864, 1865, 1875, 1879, 1885, 1890 & 1909". If that was the phrase used to describe the particular lot you bid upon, there'd better be an 1885 in it. If this was a guy selling random lots from a larger collection and it implied "we've seen these dates in these lots," my point above applies. Again, though, it's kind of tilting at windmills in the grand scheme of things. |
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He was talking about dates in this specific lot. Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/38122027335...K:MEBIDX:IT. Of course there has been worse. Some simply don't send what was listed and don't want to do anything about it. I think I should have included more to show they were talking about this specific lot: "That's right, this is a lot of 50 (fifty) old Indian Head cents. Superb mix of circs as pictured below, we saw an 1879 in this group. We also saw the following dates 1864, 1865, 1875, 1879, 1885, 1890 & 1909. GREAT MIX of dates sure to please the lucky winner of this lot!!" Edited by buddy16cat
04/20/2015 10:42 pm
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I would consider this as fraud if it is done on purpose. I just had a dispute with an Italian seller who sent me the coin I bought but of another variety than displayed in the pictures (A vs B position). After an endless stream of mails he agreed to refund the coin but still persisted that it was the same coin. It's the same as saying that medal and coin alignment coins are the same coins...
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I just heard back from the seller. They said they would send an 1885 if they had it. I also said they could send a coin of comparable value as well. I do realize mistakes happen. Perhaps he thought the 1895 was 1885. What irritates me is if they say "There was an error in the listing" when they have an 1896 dime in the listing title but there isn't one in the lot. As far as someone that states a 1907 lower grade V nickel is scarce or key date, I just won't buy anything from the seller. |
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I just received an 1885 cent from this seller no problem after contacting them. I am impressed I didn't have to involve ebay, since sometimes I have to. |
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I just won this one lot. The seller had three or four of them. I bid on another lot and lost with higher grade coins. I received completely different coins even though the seller listed he would ship what was pictured in the listing but seems he just sent everyone whatever. Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-Mercury-...p=true&rt=nc  Edited by buddy16cat
05/04/2015 7:29 pm
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