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1900-D Indian Head Penny

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 Posted 06/14/2015  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be worth sending to someone at CONECA to research.
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When I first saw the D I wondered if it might have been from someone taking a metal letter punch to the coins surface. It is not hard to find counter-stamped coins. Since the D is below the surface as you say, this would indicate a letter punch could have been used. A coin die makes the letter stick up off of the surface.

It might be someone started to counter punch a name/initials into the surface and had second thoughts as they just starting to swing the hammer, The result would be a very light tap and a very light, incuse D.


Earle42 I think you might have misunderstood me I didn't say the D was incuse only the hole was very slightly incuse. Odd thing is how did the camera pick it up in the first place since it was basically invisible to the naked eye. Another thing is with the location of the D with it being between the 3rd feather and the O in Of there really isn't a lot of space to use a punch without damaging the detail in the bust and the United States Of America device though I don't know if small diameter letter punches (possibly the same diameter as a 8 penny or smaller nail)exist. Are there any letter punches out there that still use the same font as seen on the mystery D and the D in United? Would this D qualify as a Ghost since it isn't visible to the naked eye unless you maneuver it in the light till it appears?


Also if you want weird I was just physically examining the Indian Head penny again a minute ago the location of the D in the picture is not where the D on the coin is actually located. Where the picture has the D located between the 3rd and 4th feather it is actually located dead center over the 3rd feather.
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I think some WAY better pics would help a lot,
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lets see if these help a little

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And of the whole coin please.
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don't know if this is better but for a weird reason the image shifted of the D the closer I focused I think it is giving my camera fits or something.

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I don't even see it now...
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I don't even see it now...


52raymo it is barely visible in both photos but it shifted closer to the O for some reason. look for the outline of the D to the bottom left corner of the O I went Max zoom and I ain't doing that again it was causing me problems just trying to hold the camera steady while at the same time trying to hold my 70 lumen LED flashlight on it to get more light.
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Not sure if there's just too much light in the photos, but the surface of the coin looks very rough to me like there is some corrosion or porosity. I also think that whatever the D is from it is post mint damage, although it doesn't look like how a typical counterstamp would.
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Now it looks like an S in the close-up photo.
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There is no such animal, and it appears to be simply a random circulation mark. Probably VG and worth about a buck.
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Not sure if there's just too much light in the photos, but the surface of the coin looks very rough to me like there is some corrosion or porosity. I also think that whatever the D is from it is post mint damage, although it doesn't look like how a typical counterstamp would.


Well these are Bronze coins so I don't know if they are cast or not so these are probably pockmarks from the casting process. I'm still thinking the D was from a altered die there is just too much going on for it to be a counter stamp. What type of Die was used for the bronze planchettes versus the prior copper planchettes?
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Okay, this coin is normal, no mint mark. First of all the mint mark would have been placed on the reverse, no the obvrrse. Second of all, dalohogana punches are highly improbably because they would've been ground down and sold for scrap (like dies, right?) Just another 1901 IHC
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Okay, this coin is normal, no mint mark. First of all the mint mark would have been placed on the reverse, no the obvrrse. Second of all, dalohogana punches are highly improbably because they would've been ground down and sold for scrap (like dies, right?) Just another 1901 IHC


I honestly don't know what they did with the equipment after the Dalohogna mint closed. But I highly doubt the equipment was scrapped the government back in the late 19th century probably reused a lot of the Dalohogana equipment and were probably installed in the new Denver Mint back in 1906. And the punches would have still been in use till 1907 when the new dies were put into production with the new miniaturization equipment that just came out in 1907. And this is a 1900 IHC not 1901.


BTW I checked coins from Dalohogana online and the size and font style are very similar if not the same to the mark on my coin. I am wondering if it was possible that the Philadelphia Mint was experimenting to see if the the punches would work on the new dies or someone messed up and put it in the wrong spot on the die. But as for PMD the location of the D and lack of any damage to the bust and devices rule out anything done by hand it is just to precise a strike to have been done by hand and the coin wasn't deformed in any way.
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This is simple. Way, way back someone in the government decided to make a Denver Mint. As a test they took that coin of yours and tried out a D Mint mark on it. But since there was no Denver Mint yet, no one knew just where or how a D Mint mark would appear or look so this is what the results are or were. And since there was no Lincoln Cent yet, they used that Indian cent.
Or it could be a PMD thing.
And did you notice the Tomahawk just above the 2nd and 3rd Feather.
And if you look closely, you will also see a flower in between that Tomahawk and the D mint mark.
And what is that Diamond shaped thing right in front of the Indians mouth?
And you should see what I see in the clouds.
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