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Well This Could Be Part Of The Problem, With The 20-4-20$, 100-4-100$..etc.

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 Posted 11/16/2016  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nubee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC-Ottawa - yes - "then it will become even more difficult to simply cash them in "
As I have personally experienced. Happy others have better outcome with their banks.

Totally agree with you respecting counterfeits
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 Posted 11/16/2016  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucv13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took mine to an RBC commercial center after being turned down at Scotia, I'm also happy to be done with them and the 1948 Silver Dollar I purchased to replace them takes up a lot less room
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 Posted 11/17/2016  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dishonest must be delighted at the supply of packaging found on ebay.

221986702737

Who else would want empty boxes?


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 Posted 11/17/2016  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess if some buys these, we all are missing something
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 Posted 11/17/2016  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Redzapsid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I threw all packaging in the garbage when I cashed mine in for that very reason.
The buyer might be someone that did not receive a box when they acquired the coin. I know the first few times I took mine to the bank (without packaging), the teller said she'd call another customer to see if they wanted to coins. The other customer said they'd take them, so the bank didn't end up returning them to the RCM.
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 Posted 11/17/2016  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nubee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mine were sold all inclusive.

Yes these empties make counterfeiting much easier for the unscrupulous especially since they are $100's and $200's
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 Posted 11/17/2016  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yea, if the fakes coins find there way into real packaging, that would really make matters worse..
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 Posted 11/17/2016  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i just noticed that on the mint.ca website all the 50$, 100$ and 200$ coins are now not for sale..wonder if it is just a coincidence..


would the mint take the counterfeiters serious now..
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 Posted 11/17/2016  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jackalope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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i just noticed that on the mint.ca website all the 50$, 100$ and 200$ coins are now not for sale.


I think that there is a promotion coming up and they don't want the face value coins being used towards that. After Christmas they will all of a sudden reappear and everything will be blamed on the computer "Glitch".
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 Posted 11/17/2016  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nubee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Jackalop - "everything will be blamed on the computer "Glitch"."

RCM has so many of these in their regular daily business so why not (it's almost a joke).

To them ( RCM) it's plausible to sell this to their clients.
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 Posted 11/17/2016  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm really curious about the source of these fakes. The seller appears to be in Toronto though I suspect most of us associate counterfeits like this as coming out of China.

The ebay seller has also sold "souvenir" art bullion gold and silver coins and notes (obvious fakes), and has some silver for sale currently. There has been no feedback on sales in more than a year.

Has anyone discovered fake x for x coins elsewhere? Is this a one off or more likely, just the tip of the iceberg.

I think the simple designs and finished plus high FV and relatively big mintages make these NCLT much more attractive to counterfeiters than other NCLT coins.
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 Posted 11/17/2016  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mikesnickname to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RCM just archived a lot of the x for x coins including the $200 article coin that was just released.
I wonder if the fakes have anything to do with this.

Edit: sorry just saw silverwolf already posted this.
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11/18/2016 12:15 am
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 Posted 11/18/2016  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucv13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just realized I still have all or most of the cards/packaging for the 20-25-50 and 100 coins - if anybody wants/needs any of these let me know - you can have them for the cost of shipping
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 Posted 11/18/2016  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was some discussion about these counterfeits back in June in this other thread:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...2130#2213464

Since then I still have not come across any other X for X counterfeits besides the $100 eagle. It's nice to see JimmyD pointed out some markers for the counterfeit.
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 Posted 11/18/2016  05:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pulling the $200 Icy Arctic coin after only one week of release could mean we are looking at a rarity. We don't know how many were shipped out but if only a fraction of the 20,000 were shipped out this coin could be become very valuable.

There is severe shortage of the Icy Arctic at dealers so I suggest people look at buying this coin before stock runs out. There is the possibility that the RCM will not bring the coin back or possibly re-minting the coin with different features to distinguish it from counterfeits.

I don't know of any RCM coins being recalled but stamps from time to time have been recalled due to errors. And those stamps have become valuable.
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11/18/2016 05:08 am
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