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Concern For The Long Run Future Of Our Zincoln Collections.

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As careful as I have been with storing/handling my coins, the other day I noted a 1967 half in MS condition now has a green spot starting to grow on it. To put this half into storage I handled it with cotton gloves, dipped it into acetone before putting it in a 2X2, and used a squeeze bulb to blow away any dust or dirt that may have been on the 2X2. This was stored in a box with a large, new desiccant pack inside.



Evidently even new 2X2s can sometimes have a contaminant on them.


Things like that can discourage a seasoned collector .
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@Earle

Man. That's about as frustrating as it gets. Ugh
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You forgot #5 ; After #1-#4 have been secured ,you must put those precious Zincolns into a Bomb Shelter . Hey ,you never know !
What? You do not already live in a bomb shelter? I thought that was a given!


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It's just a shame that the greatest country in the world, with arguably the greatest mint(s) and a tradition of fine, often magnificent, coins has made, apparently largely for political reasons, such a horrible coin with such bad prospects for long-term preservation. It's absurd, and all the worse in that the copper Lincolns were such a beloved and attractive coin.
Yup. The time to kill off the cent was nearly forty years ago.
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Found two more today that were stored and also had a similar thing going on. I guess the batch of 2X2s was some how bad.Looks like I am going to try my hand at conservation on these before it gets worse.


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... I have a feeling that 200 years or so from now... What storage method do you think gives us the best fighting chance?


Cryo? Don't think we'll be worrying about it 200 years from now
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Well, at least you discovered it at an early stage. Imagine it two or three years from now. Post before and after pictures.
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I have lost some of my resistance to the cynicism that Zincolns seem to generate.

The U.S. Mint could solve all of these storage problems
by the issuing into circulation of injection molded plastic One Cent coins.
Legalized play money.

Not that much of a big deal. The quality of the 'paper' money issue in Australia improved with the issue of plastic banknotes.
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The U.S. Mint could solve all of these storage problems
by the issuing into circulation of injection molded plastic One Cent coins.
Legalized play money.

I'm sorry but I just can't see myself collecting plastic legalized play money . I'll take the dar gone Zincolns .
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The U.S. Mint could solve all of these storage problems
by the issuing into circulation of injection molded plastic One Cent coins.
Legalized play money.
That will never work because it would still cost more than one cent to make the cent. This is true even if somehow the material were free. Manufacture and handling costs already exceed one cent per unit. Just killed the darn thing already and be done with it. Then we can get NIFC bronze cents for the collectors. We know how to take care of those.
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Maybe the USPS has the solution! ?



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I used to work with plastic injection molding (plastic-town, USA - Erie, PA). Have costs really gone that high that it would take 1 cent to make something this small? You would be amazed at what it used to NOT cost to make plastic items en masse (even things like quality "Tupperware" type items). It was all the middlemen and markups that made the costs what they were.

And although sentimentally I hate the idea, I agree with jbuck. Kill it. I would rather see the cent killed than have the self-anihilating ones we now have anyway.

Of course I would prefer a return to PMs and/or a shift in the values of our money to adjust so a penny is worth something. But the latter is just kicking the can down the road. The former is never going to happen b/c the Fed won't let go of its ultimate power over the economy.
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Have costs really gone that high that it would take 1 cent to make something this small?
It is not just the actual making, but the handling before and after that adds to the cost.

There was a post a while back. It was a picture of a bag of play money, 100 count of plastic cents. Sold for $3.95 or something like that.
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Yes, I just figured if the US mint put the money into getting their own rigs it could be done easily. Those bags of coins being sold, as you said, had middlemen all over the place - the packaging, the labels, etc. Direct from the factory/mint these costs would not be there. Molded plastics are actually very inexpensive to make as far as the actual cost of raw materials after the press and mold are paid off. I still have a thick plastic coffee mug I pressed when changing the colors on that machine. I think it was literally .012-.015 of a cent to make (80s though)and has a lot more mass than a cent would.
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Yes, I just figured if the US mint put the money into getting their own rigs it could be done easily...
I do not know, but I doubt it. The new machinery would needs its acquisition and maintenance costs spread out over the production. Once the plastic cents have been made they need to be counted and distributed. Even if it is all robotic someone will need to be trained and paid to make sure it all gets done. They might be better off outsourcing it to an existing plastic parts manufacturer, but what they save on overhead is then lost to that middle-man. None of this would be cheap.

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Those bags of coins being sold, as you said, had middlemen all over the place -...
I know, but your reply reminded of that earlier post and I thought it was funny that play money cost more than the real thing.

Now I cannot find it.
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I don't recommend albums for long-term storage, especially for Zincolns. I expect mine to last virtually forever with my storage procedure:

1) Rinse with acetone (allow to evaporate)
2) Insert into an Air-Tite brand holder
3) Air-Tite goes into a quarter size 2x2
4) 2x2 goes into 3-ring type binder pages
5) Pages go into a ziplock with a sacrificial red cent
6) Ziplock goes into a Tupperware container
7) Tupperware either goes to my bank box (if particularly valuable) or into a giant plastic container with a lid.
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