Identification Of Counterfeits For Members Who Wish To Collect Them.

Swamperbob, no apology necessary sir and I hope that everything is now better with your wife. I have heard the stories of those hoards you spoke of. I wonder if the town I mentioned is where that factory may be. The seller did say he metal detected it but didnt specify if others were found. Either way, thank you ad always. Have a great weekend!

Swamperbob. Totally unrelated to this post but I saw in one of your responses on another forum that you served on Submarines. From one submariner to another thank you for your service.

Ok, sounds like you have removed it from its holder -- the cellophane had too much reflection in the seller's photos. I look forward to seeing your pictures when you can show them.

Greetings all and Happy Easter.

This coin is currently listed on ebay and looks somewhat off to me. The sharp details in the cap are what I noticed first. What do yall think, real, ccc, modern fake?

Thank you Swamperbob,

Either way it sounds like a win to me. Happy Easter!

odentheviking Since I first wrote this post I have identified 96 different Counterfeit, Forged or Improperly described Mexican 8R coins posted on ebay. These break down into 57 Cap and ray types and 39 Portrait types. I did not count some duplication of common counterfeit types (which I probably should have). Of the Cap and Ray types 34 were CCC types and 22 were Numismatic forgeries one coin called a counterfeit was not. The portraits broke down to 19 CCC and 20 NF. All but one of the incorrectly described Portraits were forgeries described as contemporary counterfeits. This seems to be a new trend since Portrait counterfeits are starting to be recognized as valuable.

To have posted every auction would have been too time consuming for me at present (my wife is very ill and I am caring for two of our grand children).

I also discovered that over half of the examples that I identified were very common types that appeared more than once (not the same coin but different ones) in the study interval.

I also discovered that there were 5 Cap and Ray coins that I was interested in bidding on because they were Riddell examples I have never previously seen. I can not recall that happening any time in the past 5 years or so.

That last category is the most problematic for me since I would prefer not to identify that kind of example to prospective competitors and because most were not identified as fakes of any type.

I was also surprised that so few of the coins I saw were posted by other members. Were nearly all of the bad coins missed or was it just that no one had questions?

I have decided that it would be better for me if I posted mostly completed auctions. I would however reply to any posts by members whether the auction is active or not.

Swamperbob, WOW! I had no idea there could be so many up for auction in such a short time. The last thing I want to do is to bid against someone here on the forum, or anyone that wants or needs a coin for their collection. I only have an interest in the Counterfeits of the 1733&1734 8R Klippe's, and 8R Pillar Dollars.
But thank you for starting this thread and your willingness to pipe in on any coins we find.

ChipDehart I agree that the coin is a cast copy. Looks like a fairly early (or novice made) plaster mold. Possibly used as an injection mold but that is difficult to prove. The mold surface even has a clear repair to the left of the date. So the mold could be re-used.

I wonder who looking at this coin could ever believe it was genuine? no mint in 1925 would make a crown sized coin this poorly because it would invite forgery.

Even if it was actually made in 1925 and is therefore technically a "circulating" counterfeit - fewer than 3,000 examples of this coin survived. I would question if this was ever a circulating coin so how could there be CCC copies? I would refer to this as a numismatic forgery because it copied a rare issue that was produced for only one year and must have had immediate numismatic interest.