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This is quickly getting out of hand with incorrect information.
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The little green sticker is a gimmick to me.
JA's numismatic knowledge is beyond reproach and can run circles around his critics. It is just simply unintelligent to say that CAC is a gimmick.
If you have different taste that is fine, just understand why it differs. If you collect things CAC doesn't do that is fine, or at price levels where CAC doesn't really matter that is all fine as well, but calling it a gimmick is a lack of understanding and loses all credibility. Well that's twice you've told me I have no credibility, and now you're telling me I'm unintelligent. Unfortunately, I really am a little thick and just can't quite fathom what anything you've posted so far has to do with the marketing gimmick of the little green sticker. I do know my 6 year old nephew likes to collect stickers, maybe I should run it past him? I don't know or care who JA is, how's that for showing my ignorance? I will tell you, I just might buy the best looking Bridgeport Connecticut Half Dollar I can find with the little green sticker (just so I can pay the premium that sticker commands), to prove the point made by the guy whose visage adorns the obverse. |
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Hmm. But wouldn't that fall under tampering the slab rendering cert invalid from a legal standpoint? Wait a minute, are you saying there is some sort of legally binding contract involved with a slab? |
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Basically it says if you tamper with the slab in any way the grade and certification are no longer valid.
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I don't know or care who JA is, how's that for showing my ignorance? You just proved my point perfectly. No one should try and mislead people by shooting from the hip their feelings when they have no idea about a topic. Should people run around just saying they "don't know or care about a a subject" but they should be listened too? I get blunt for the sake of people reading and new people who may not know better when feelings get thrown around as facts with nonsense like this especially when someone self admittedly has no idea what they are talking about |
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You just proved my point perfectly. No one should try and mislead people by shooting from the hip their feelings when they have no idea about a topic.
Should people run around just saying they "don't know or care about a a subject" but they should be listened too?
I get blunt for the sake of people reading and new people who may not know better when feelings get thrown around as facts with nonsense like this especially when someone self admittedly has no idea what they are talking about I agree with this somewhat. I'll say this. I don't know crap about cars, but I'll say spending $200k on a car is silly. |
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I'll say this. I don't know crap about cars, but I'll say spending $200k on a car is silly. And a starving person in a third world country would say spending even 1 USD on a cent is silly. Finances are all relative. Some people focus on the rich and what they can spend on and forget that in the USA and other western nations everyone is much better off than a significant percentage of the world. Cost nor jealousy of resources should ever be an issue, there are many many people in the world who would be jealous we can even have this talk online. That is something we should all remember, so while some may get frustrated about the prices they cannot afford, they would also be the source of the same frustration for many in the world. There can be legitimate value debates, but if it makes someone happy and they can afford it it is never silly |
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And your point is 100% true.
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You just proved my point perfectly. No one should try and mislead people by shooting from the hip their feelings when they have no idea about a topic.
Should people run around just saying they "don't know or care about a a subject" but they should be listened too?
I get blunt for the sake of people reading and new people who may not know better when feelings get thrown around as facts with nonsense like this especially when someone self admittedly has no idea what they are talking about Not knowing who Mr. JA is is not akin to having "no idea about a topic". The topic at hand is grading of coins, specifically TPG and CAC stickers. I am making no attempt here to "mislead people" and I'm not "shooting from the hip." To answer your question, I don't know if people should run around just saying they "don't know or care about a a subject" but they should be listened too [sic]. I do know fads come and go. The numismatic market is no exception. I've been around quite a while (which I realize doesn't make me anything special, but does give me quite a bit of experience). I've been through the BU roll craze, the advent of slabs, the crack out game, Accugrade, American Silver Eagle releases and now the little green sticker. It's all hype. This is not my opinion, it is fact. Before you call me an ignorant old fool (which is probably your next step so you can show that I "just proved your point"), look up the definition of the word hype and post it here. Also, suggest you bone up on our logic and debating skills.  |
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In the future, not targeting any members. Let's refrain from target or personal insults. Keep it civil. Cite your sources. While I enjoy a debate keep it formal.
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Agree. When being direct crosses over to being rude and disrespectful the focus on the topic is lost and people like me will stay away from these forums.
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Of course you are both correct.
I apologize if I have offended anyone and I promise to take the high road in the future.
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Sounds good! I appreciate a person who can say that
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I do know fads come and go. Fads do come and go, but fads are short lived. PCGS and NGC are both over 30 years old. CAC is over a decade old, there is no fad. As far as who JA is, that would be John Albanese. He was one of the founders of PCGS, NGC and founded CAC. He also ran/runs a nonprofit that helps collectors who were scammed get their money back. There probably isn't anyone who has seen more high end US coins than he has and his reputation/resume would stack up with anyone's. If this were the early 1990s we could be talking about whether or not the TPGs were a fad, but 30 plus years later there is no fad they are here to stay and that ship has sailed. Same goes with CAC that was founded over a decade ago. Many have tried to copy CAC and none have come close to the same acceptance with the one possible exception if Photo Seal which a number of ICH and Flying Eagle specialists prefer. I have no interest in calling you an old timer or anything like that, just in objective information being posted. I don't agree with every decision that PCGS or CAC makes but the first thing I do is ask myself why not just assume they're fools. 99.99% of the time I see I had missed something. If I still can't figure it out I'll probably resubmit it and see if it was something very borderline or try and find someone who can find it. You actually can talk to CAC about your submissions and they don't even charge collectors for things that do not sticker either. No one has to utilize these types of resources that help collectors much more than dealers, but they should at least be objective when commenting about them and not try to diminish them like they're just some random people who don't look at coins all day for a living. We all have/had various careers and experience helps the best get better, it's not different with the graders. |
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I'd like to comment on the coin that prompted the thread. Both the outdated TruVu photo and the Great Collections auction photo suggest this is a coin with below-average eye appeal. A more attractive example in PCGS XF-40 would likely have sold for significantly more than $2500. The auction topped out at a price reflecting the quality of the coin and the buyer presumably was happy with the deal.
I'd say it all worked out OK!
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