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There would be no point. If they had a sticker for it and someone got that they would just peal the sticker off and be done with it. It would make no difference
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I like that idea of CAC downgrading coins as well as how they upgrade with the gold sticker.
To address the problem of peeling off the sticker they should engrave or brand the slab plastic over the label in the case of branding or denoting details, perhaps. For example the coin posted here, if sent to CAC would get a brand of "DIPPED" melted into the plastic.
Would probably reduce CACs business to an extent but would be more fair and would elevate their reputation in many collectors eyes, I believe.
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Hmm. But wouldn't that fall under tampering the slab rendering cert invalid from a legal standpoint?
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That's the point. Grade is invalid if the slab is branded. TPGs would make a tampering argument. CAC would deem it marking, since there is no attempt made to tamper ie access the coin
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Well wouldn't that screw over set reg collectors if their coins got de-certified?
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Hey, all! Late to this thread, but could somebody please explain to me exactly what "conserved" means in this context and how it differs from "cleaned"? If they are the same thing, then I don't think it's fair for a TPG to include "cleaned" on a label for a coin that came to them already cleaned but not have to put something on the label when they did the cleaning themselves. For the record, here is my own example of the same coin, which I'm guessing has been neither cleaned nor conserved:   |
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Cleaning implies the original surfaces of the coin were altered. Conservation in implies that a contaminant on the surface was removed without removing or altering the original surfaces
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Barryg that is an absolutely beautiful coin. Best not ever send it in for reholdering lest the TPGs try to conserve it with some thiourea, jeweler's rouge, and a buffing wheel.
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Cleaning implies the original surfaces of the coin were altered. Conservation in implies that a contaminant on the surface was removed without removing or altering the original surfaces Which is funny, since the first definition of the verb "clean" in my dictionary is "to rid of dirt, impurities, or extraneous matter." |
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Whelp us collectors as a society are a picky group. Use the wrong term with the wrong group of collectors and it'll be fire and brimstone.
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This is quickly getting out of hand with incorrect information. Quote:
The little green sticker is a gimmick to me. JA's numismatic knowledge is beyond reproach and can run circles around his critics. It is just simply unintelligent to say that CAC is a gimmick. If you have different taste that is fine, just understand why it differs. If you collect things CAC doesn't do that is fine, or at price levels where CAC doesn't really matter that is all fine as well, but calling it a gimmick is a lack of understanding and loses all credibility. Quote:
It could interfere and bias the grader if say, the overgraded a coin a family member sent in, then sold it at a public auction. Conflict of interest.
Doesn't happen at the first tier TPGs. Even the implication of that is just wrong. Quote:
Cleaning implies the original surfaces of the coin were altered. Conservation in implies that a contaminant on the surface was removed without removing or altering the original surfaces No it doesn't. You can argue all day long about the true definitions. The most simple definition would that cleaned you can tell conserved you cannot. Dark doesn't mean it has to be original nor does light mean it has to have been cleaned or even conserved. The final product is what matters with coins. |
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Doesn't happen at the first tier TPGs. Even the implication of that is just wrong Never said it did. I said it _could_ under his proposed scenario. Quote:
The most simple definition would that cleaned you can tell conserved you cannot Not really. Cleaned is cleaned. And sometimes conserved is cleaned. There's a lot of specifics at work. |
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Cleaning implies the original surfaces of the coin were altered. Conservation in implies that a contaminant on the surface was removed without removing or altering the original surfaces Quote:
Not really. Cleaned is cleaned. And sometimes conserved is cleaned.  |
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Never said it did. I said it _could_ under his proposed scenario. Facts are what should be stuck to not hypotheticals. You can make a hypothetical of anything. Quote:
Not really. Cleaned is cleaned. And sometimes conserved is cleaned. There's a lot of specifics at work. That actually doesn't make sense and is a contradiction of your own definition which was off as well. |
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What I meant was cleaning is cleaning. However, conservation can be cleaning if done wrong.
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