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New Member
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I know just enough about brockages to know that I don't know what I don't know. Showed it to my LCS a yer or two back for their opinion and though it gave him pause and a few quick flips and look overs, it was a busy day and I am a newer customer so it was brief, but he mentioned something about looking for a reversed image he did not see and did not think it was anything much if I recall correctly. Given I obtained it through a by-the-pound purchase through a "charity" auction seller I have no idea if it came from a legitimate collection or not where I was buying it for the tokens and medals in the lot. The date in mint mark conveniently legible is what has me suspect. Otherwise, could someone spell out to me like they are talking to a slow person about what they see for it to be thought to be inauthentic. Opinions of authenticity of course appreciated too if sharing expertise. Thanks!   |
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Crud. Wrong forum and loaded with grammatical errors. Sorry. It was meant for modern coin errors.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like a vise job to me.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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New Member
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May I ask what the tell tale sign that has you forming that opinion is? Trying to learn and I can't omit it from being a brockage from what I have read so far but not surprised if it turns out to be as you said.
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Pillar of the Community
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There is a mirror image of AMERICA that is incuse, which would indicate a vise job. The only thing that gives me pause is the two raised EPUs, which suggests a second strike. A non-tilted photo would be much better.
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Wrong forum... It was meant for modern coin errors. Fixed.  |
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Thanks JBuck and apologies. The rotated image was just taken at full distance (hence needing to rotate to fit all of its oblong shape into view) with a digital microscope. The other image is with a camera that was previously taken and as I recall it was directly above, I believe. Correct me if it does not strike you as such and thank you for sharing that point of information that lends to excluding some mutilated coins. It seems with so many strike possibilities it could be a mix of outcomes but I am going to use your information as further reference and not concoct the multitude of outcomes I thought could happen. Thanks and appreciate you taking a look at these pics too Zurie.   |
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New Member
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Also handling the coin in person, both your conclusions Zurie I believe are correct as viewed with my deteriorating eyes. 2x raised UPU and the mirror America along the edge I am 90% certain of being able to confirm what your believe to see with that strike, the America running perpendicular through the monument is raised fwiw.
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Thanks JBuck and apologies. My pleasure and no need, we all make mistakes. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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New Member
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Definitely a Vise Job, not a genuine error, sorry. I hope you didn't pay much money for it. The reversed lettering gives it away. Also, the obverse is all flattened looking from the damage. https://www.error-ref.com/squeeze-j...-garage-job/did you read the initial post? what would revisiting that link serve? please fill me in with makes you so sure and sympathetic about how I acquired it? Check that. Really only interested in what makes you so overwhelmingly sure. Lets skip the rest. |
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My understanding:
This error requires two coins in the minting press at the same time: an already struck coin that fails to eject, and a new, blank planchet.
The Stuck Coin ("Brockage Maker"): An already struck coin sticks to one of the dies (usually the hammer die).The New Planchet: A fresh, blank planchet is fed into the coining chamber underneath the stuck coin.
The Strike: When the die comes down, it presses the blank planchet against the previously struck coin.The Result: The side facing the die gets a normal, stamped impression.
The opposing side, which was pressed against the raised design of the stuck coin, receives a sunken, mirrored (incuse) impression of the first coin's design.
Variations in the "Flat" SideThe appearance of the opposing side depends on the specific circumstances of the strike:
Normal Strike: If the planchet is properly trapped inside the minting collar and receives the full force of the opposing die, the side facing the die will display a normal, properly struck design.
Broadstruck (Flattened) Strike: If the minting collar malfunctions or is out of position, the pressure can cause the metal to bulge outward. In these cases, the face stamped by the die may be featureless, stretched out, or completely flat while still showing the reversed incuse design on the other side. <<<<<OBLONG SHAPE AND FLAT ON ONE SIDE.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yes, I've have read your post. If you take a look at the link I provided, it's 100% a Vise Job. I already explained why it is a Vise Job. It's not a genuine mint error. This will be my last comment, as I am not going to argue with you about it.  Errers and Varietys.
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New Member
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Huh. Argue? Heh. This ain't arguing. Its more sifting through things and drilling down for facts I can work with. Don't take it personal though, it just came across as you needed a re-read of the original post. Have a great day.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thank you, bv2. I appreciate the kindness.  I take my last comment back. I'm sorry if I took it the wrong way. I just didn't know if it the thread was going to go south, as they sometimes do. Take care. Errers and Varietys.
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