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To comment. I restore cleaned copper coins to an even brown patina. Is it altering surfaces? Yes. Is it already cleaned? Yes. Any harm done? No. I'd rather have it post conservation with a better non cleaned look, even though it is less original. Just my 2C.
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I think that a "conserved" coin should be noted on the holder. Opinions? You would not gain much by doing that and might actually remove some of the learning experience from the hobby. |
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You would not gain much by doing that and might actually remove some of the learning experience from the hobby. Interesting thought. I can agree but love to play both sides. Wouldn't denotating conserved teach newer collectors what it looks like so they can be more informed. Other argument: Would collectors treat coins with conserved on the slab as a cleaned or problem coin? |
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Wouldn't denotating conserved teach newer collectors what it looks like so they can be more informed.
Other argument: Would collectors treat coins with conserved on the slab as a cleaned or problem coin? My opinion is no, It would not teach newer collectors what it looks like or make them more informed. We are discussing conservation by TPG only, which composes a minuscule proportion of slabbed coins that have been "played with" over the years. The vast majority of "altered/conserved coins", whether intentional and unintentional, was performed by individuals prior to arriving at a TPG. Since these coins are deemed to be either market-acceptable and straight graded or problem coins and detail graded, noting on a slab that a coin was conserved at a TPG would be very counterproductive IMO. P.S. The coin in question in this thread appears to be an extreme example of TPG "conserving". |
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Quote:We are discussing conservation by TPG only, which composes a minuscule proportion of slabbed coins that have been "played with" over the years. I'd say that sounds about right. However for whatever reason people are getting them "conserved" for no reason. Quote:The vast majority of "altered/conserved coins", whether intentional and unintentional, was performed by individuals prior to arriving at a TPG. That's correct. I'm not challenging that. Quote:Since these coins are deemed to be either market-acceptable and straight graded or problem coins and detail graded, noting on a slab that a coin was conserved at a TPG would be very counterproductive IMO.  and that was the point I was originally making. I just like arguing both sides  . Quote:The coin in question in this thread appears to be an extreme example of TPG "conserving". Tell me about it  |
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...and we've seen some really bad TPG conserving here. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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I think CoinFrog has one example where NGC butchered a coin.
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I think that a "conserved" coin should be noted on the holder. Opinions? Agree. Let's see, you can label coins as cleaned, environmentally damaged, "details", etc. You can slap tiny green stickers worth thousands of dollars on them. Certainly you could add the category of "conserved". |
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I think that a "conserved" coin should be noted on the holder. Opinions? You can always open your own TPG and do whatever you want rather than criticize the existing ones. |
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Quote:You can always open your own TPG and do whatever you want rather than criticize the existing ones. Sure could. Maybe I'll call it Accugrade 2. Since I don't like NASCAR, maybe I should drive 200 mph? I only own one slabbed coin that I have not released from its prison yet. I don't care if anyone else wants to buy slabs, I just believe they have become the end all be all for too many people. It's up to you if you want to buy into the gimmick of the little green sticker. Or the first strike. Or how about a "Special Label"? Direct quote from From PCGS's website: "But hurry, PCGS eventually retires all Special Labels, adding a limited edition nature to these custom releases." I'm surprised they don't say; "BUT WAIT!, THERE'S MORE!" And I will continue to criticize them without opening my own company. |
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It's up to you if you want to buy into the gimmick of the little green sticker. CAC isn't a gimmick and anyone who believes so ruins their own credibility. |
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CAC isn't a gimmick and anyone who believes so ruins their own credibility. Looks like my credibility is shot, oh wait, I had none to begin with. Do you always deal in such absolutes? The little green sticker is a gimmick to me. The next innovation will be 50 shades of green, each shade infinitesimally better than the next. Quote:
CAC Grades Graders I'll go along with that. How about the TPG's put the names of the graders on the holders? Since grading is an art. You wouldn't want to buy a painting without the artists name on it. Then, when the best grader dies, any slab with his name on it will skyrocket in value. |
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It makes the graders remain anonomous. It could interfere and bias the grader if say, the overgraded a coin a family member sent in, then sold it at a public auction. Conflict of interest.
CAC is simply an added layer of "security". Why? They have _much_ stricter grading standards then any other company. So it helps keep grade pops from inflating.
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CAC is simply an added layer of "security". Why? They have _much_ stricter grading standards then any other company. So it helps keep grade pops from inflating. Then they should have another sticker to downgrade coins that are over graded. But that would be absurd, wouldn't it? |
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