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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If this was a die issue, there could be hundreds of thousands of these. If this were a coin issue, then only one would exist. So we would have seen this by now? But this is the first example I've seen/heard about? So if the marks incuse, then it is coin damage. If they are raised, it could have been altered. Either way, it ruins it as a collectible. The coin was altered. But if large quantities were found, then it would be a die event. (Not a variety, as someone at the mint altered the die. So to keep it is your choice. It will always have silver melt value.
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Valued Member
United States
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Hey coop! I totally agree with everything you said except under one condition: If hole_in_pocket's employee scenario actually happened, it would not by definition result in hundreds of thousands or more of a variety being produced. Like the 1913 Liberty nickel or the aluminum pennies and other examples, a die could be modified with no intent to mint anything, but if the die got accidentally used, there could be anywhere from 1 to millions produced. That being said, I highly doubt that kind of scenario in this case. As stated, it appears to be individual intentional damage. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What you are seeing as raised metal is actually the displaced metal when the x was scratched into the coin. The lighting in one of your photos creates a highlight on the side of a starand a dark shadow behind the star. The X beside it has a shadow first then a highlight behind. There is a gouge creating that shadow and the displaced metal from the gouge is displaying the highlight. PSD is what it is.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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So it is incuse as it is reflecting off the back side of the incuse ditch. Just opposite of the star pointed out. I wonder why someone would deface a Kennedy coin though? He was a good president. (Probably the X's were in defiance as I figure)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I know it seems exciting but the marks would have to be in the exact same positions to be die related and as you can see in this composite of the two coins they are not. This was done to the coins after they were struck.  |
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New Member
 United States
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I digress. You're right. I will have this looked at by a professional for an opinion. Or even, after I send it in to be certified, then I will know, and post updates to everyone who has commented on these threads. Thanks.
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New Member
United States
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However, I don't agree with coop,or stoneman227, that these are deliberate. In fact the side by side backs up my theory that the marks are in the same place. Not to forget, there are no cuts. Only, I say, only raised material! Jealousy is an ugly thing fellas. Good day.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Sorry but no, they are not in the same place. In fact its obvious that the X's are not even physically the same.  |
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New Member
United States
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You need to imagine the angle at wihich the pics were taken, as well as the coin angle to know if the Xs are the same or not. But you are right in correcting me in the fact that they are not exactly in the same spot, as far as we can tell at this point based on the photos. Which brings me back to the angles issue. However, it's like I said, I will have my coin looked at by a professional. Because nobody seems to have a good explaination why the marks, all close in proximity, made of all raised material, being very small in size, found thus far on two 1964 Kennedy half dollars are made or why they exist. No one. |
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New Member
United States
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Also Bobby, you are comparing two different halves of the reverse side of the coin...
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Moderator
United States
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@toots, I'm very much looking forward to you posting to this thread the results of your submission to a third party grading company or other professional.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Also Bobby, you are comparing two different halves of the reverse side of the coin... How about stoneman227's image, which shows the same side? On the left, one arm of the "X" is touching the star, but on the right, it is not? The other arm is also farther away from the closest star. Looks to me like someone marked their coins in a similar way and we happened to find two of them. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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You can argue all you want. They are not the same X and not in the same place. All you have to do is look at them. The long legs on one are roughly them same length, the short legs on the other are roughly the same length and it has nothing to do with the angle of the image. It's obvious.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Toots, no one here is jealous. Everyone has given you their unbiased opinion on what they are seeing and trying to explain it based on the extensive experience they have.
The two coins, yours and the second one with the "X", are not exactly the same so they could not have been produced from the same die.
I still hope you will post a full obverse and reverse. Thanks.
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