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as I stated in my response buffs are very difficult to accurately grade. TPG's even get the wrong. you need to know whats going on at that mint in that year along with the dies. you also need to be able to discern die polishing from strike. this is the reason I never really collected them. if you are going for a high end set of them I suggest studying them first or at least research the year you are interested in. maybe someone on here can recommend a book that would help regarding your comment about the 1916 MS63. we would need to see the coin in question but keep in mind its the overall coin thats being assessed and marks on an MS coin depends on quantity, location and depth. Edited by panzaldi
10/29/2023 12:22 pm
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My interest is only in the strike quality panzaldi, not the grade. My topic was moved from US Classic to Coin Grading for some reason. I'm mostly indifferent to marks and blemishes. I spent several years looking for well struck 1921 Peace dollars in the same way. I saw a lot of MS65's with pancake flat strikes. The best I found was an MS62 struck off the proof dies. I'm seeing the same thing on the Buffalos. It varies highly from coin to coin, and I've seen many AU58's that are better struck than MS64's. The nice thing is that there are a LOT of well struck Buffalos compared to the 1921 Peace. But they still have areas that strike poorly. It's a really intricate design. I've got a bid in on a really sharp 1915. I'll post it if I win it. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/29/2023 8:40 pm
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You should post some of your other nice buffs. It's one of the most iconic U.S. coins ever produced, and a wonderful design.
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Here's the buffalo side of the 1916. The obverse is not worth showing because of the face blemish.The coin in hand still looks a little better than the photo in the holder. I won the 1915. An ANACS MS63. Getting all the fur detail on the buffalo's shoulder mantle is similar to finding a 1921 Peace dollar with full hair details.  "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/30/2023 5:31 pm
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the 1916 just looking at strike, this one is quite a bit stronger than the 13. looks to be an EDS which helps since there typically there is no die polishing going on.
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Yeah, that is a very nicely detailed coin. The tail, the tufts of grass, the ruff are all really well defined. That's a beauty, thq!
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My interest comes from looking at the old Buffalos my grandpa filled his Whitman book with in the 1940's and 1950's. Mostly G-VG pulled from circulation. Looking at those well worn Buffalos made me want a few that looked as good as possible. The ones from the 1930's look pretty good though not too well struck, and there is a 1913 Type 2 which is nice. He probably bought that one from a coin dealer, because the other pre 1920's are sparse and very heavily worn.
Here's a quote from a recent Beymer price sheet that expresses my interest:
Do you want a full horn on VF20? we do, a strong horn on EF 40? we do..PCGS and NGC dont.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/31/2023 11:17 am
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since you mentioned the 13's and the 30's as better struck, thats true they were so its going to be a lot easier finding these in higher grades and pretty well struck especially for early die states(EDS). the 36-38 are easily found in MS66 especially the 38's
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The mill run raw 1936-38 uncs are not as nicely detailed as the raw 1913-1916 uncs. Maybe because there are so many of them, mostly struck on old dies. The 1936 and 1937 proofs are just as stunning as the early proofs, so it's not a matter of design changes.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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11/01/2023 1:41 pm
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Here's an ANACS MS63 with the strongest circulation strike I've been able to find. The fur on the mantle and left foreleg are fully struck.   "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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11/04/2023 08:00 am
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a beauty  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Here's an ANACS MS63 with the strongest circulation strike I've been able to find. The fur on the mantle and left foreleg is fully struck. That's a beauty thq. Very nice. Errers and Varietys.
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thq, you've got some real gems in your collection. How long did it take to assemble all these coins? Must have been a while, although it definitely seems to have been worth the effort.
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Glad you like them Brandmeister. This took about two months on ebay, looking at hundreds of listings. I got raw ones for grandpa's old Whitman book and slabbed ones just to look at. The 1921 Peace project took several years of on-and-off hunting. The Buffs are far easier to find well struck. I'd like to have a proof, but it would cost 10x what that 1915 did. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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thq, these are some real beauties! I looked at a bunch of MS64s on ebay, and none of them were as well-struck as yours. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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