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When Will Copper Be Legal To Melt?

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 Posted 05/17/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boris, sounds like you are volunteering...give it a stab!
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 Posted 05/17/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickolas086 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like this Carl, he put on a good show on this topic.
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 Posted 05/17/2011  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add christian_cyclist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
harrison2,

I think I would rather someone set an example for me first and get caught. Then I know what not to do.

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It is worth noting that there were several prosecutions in the late 1960s during the silver melt/export ban so it is certainly not unprecedented. However, I have not found any record of prosecutions relating to the current cent and nickel melt ban. Personally, I would hate to be the first one frogmarched into Federal Court and made an example of
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There's no reason to ban melting cents today. Most cents go from the mint to the bank to someone's sock drawer. Even if every copper cent disappeared from circulation tomorrow, it wouldn't affect commerce a whit.
I have to agree. I believe I have said this once or twice before.
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 Posted 05/17/2011  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add christian_cyclist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What percentage of commerce is digital vs. physical cash nowadays? And of that cash percentage, what percentage is coin? And of that coin percentage, what percentage is pennies? If that percentage of a percentage of a percentage disappears due to melting then what would the effect be?

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 Posted 05/17/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What I'd like to see is a new article of someone who got busted trying to melt his own coins. That would be be impressive!


And what, pray tell, would he do with 35# uglybars of .950 copper? Joe Pubic won't believe him, and anyone capable of refining it to .999 will immediately recognize it as melted cents.

Granted the mom and pop neighborhood scrap dealer may not be very sophisticated (though even they are gonna question a homemade bar), but the pros know exactly what they're doing. They even sort steel into dozens of alloys, to take advantage of certain markets.

You may think it's a big deal to take a pickup truck full of aluminum cans in for recycling. I saw an ad for a major aluminum buyer, promising they can have your check cut in five minutes from the time you drive a 60' semi trailer on to their scales. They just strap the whole thing down, open the rear doors, and lift truck and all, like a giant dump truck.
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And he said HE CALLED them. Just how many people anywhere would discuss that via a phone call?


If someone called a refinery with $50,000 worth of metal to sell, and had a legitimate reason for having that much (like being a coin dealer) why wouldn't they be willing to talk on the phone?
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 Posted 05/18/2011  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I spoke to a big dealer about scrapping copper cents. This was before the recent law banning cent melting. He said he called half a dozen copper smelters, and none would take cents, even tho he had $20,000 worth.

There is the possibility that like the vast majority of the public they thought it was illegal to deface US coins even though it wasn't.
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Businesses are not "like the vast majority of the public". They learn about which laws apply to them, so they can stay in business.
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 Posted 05/18/2011  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here in Canada, I was laughed out of my local metal recycler's office for asking if they'd take a few hundred pounds of cents.

(Aside: See, even Canada is more sensible than Chicagostan! )

A year or so later, a coin dealer offered me a reasonable price and I agreed (he liked the idea of hoarding copper).

We don't have to physically melt our silver coins to obtain melt value for it. Even though I don't collect tea pots, I'd certainly buy a .999 silver teapot if the price were right! So when enough people catch on, long into the future, the same may be true of copper. And anyway, all you really need is 1 buyer to know what it's worth.
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 Posted 05/18/2011  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverFossil64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say it becomes legal to melt when they stop making pennies (or stop making them out of metal and go to plastic or something).
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 Posted 06/22/2011  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sethhsu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We dont actually need to worry about the illegal issue of melting pennies.
I believe that 99.9% people here are coin collectors. Who has a melting facility?
Keep your copper cents in their original shape, their bullion value will always be there, and there might be some additional numismatic values. Once melted, all the rare varieties will be gone. you are losing money potentially.
Besides, someone mentioned here before that he found 23% of the pennies in circulation to be copper. What I have found is lower, around 15% to 17%. Maybe there is some difference from place to place. I am in southwestern, by the way.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samboyellowsub to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with sethhsu. The bullion value will always be there. Also, it will always be known as long as they are as they were minted. Melt them down and it could be anything for all anyone knows.
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If it is illegal to use the metal in the coins, then why even make them out of metal? If the metal in the coin has no value to the holder of the coin, then why not just make them out of something non-valuable like fiberglass or something? I thought the reason coins were made out of metal was so they would have some real value, but not being able to use that metal for it's metal value seems to defeat the purpose.
Just a thought.
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