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Pillar of the Community
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I understand that the topic had been discussed in the past, though I paid little attention to the outcome as it did not really interest me much then....Please indulge my resurrection of what may be a moot subject to you. I read the forum rules periodically, and I understand and accept them....however...." The staff reserves the right to remove anything we deem unacceptable or off-topic." is a rule that (although I have no issue with), I feel could be made more palatable to members, and thereby relieve potential hard feelings through the attempt to inform the member responsible for the infraction (either via email or public admonishment in the thread) of the reason for content removal. I realize that we are all different in our personalities, and we all see things in different ways, and disagreements will arise, but staff will always come out on top in this type of situation, it cannot, and should not, be otherwise and is clearly already implied in the rules. I have crossed the line more than a couple of times....once I was notified via email by admin of what I had done contrary to site policy, once I was publicly corrected in the thread of my error by a moderator.....I had no problem with either, and was in fact appreciative to be corrected of my infractions as I was ignorant on each occasion that I was over the line.....There have been other times when I was clearly in error in my own estimation, but my trespass was overlooked by staff, again I was appreciative. I do have issue with thread removal with no explanation, (for no apparent reason) however..... Correction without explanation serves no useful purpose in my opinion.... this is neither a rational management or supervisory tool to be used in the workplace or in the teaching or guidance of children.....people should be afforded the opportunity to know what they have done wrong even if staff feels that it is plain enough to begin with..(maybe it actually isn't to the offender).....The extension of common courtesy by staff to members is a human trait that I expect to go hand in hand with appropriate member conduct as expected by staff. Your consideration of my position is solicited. edited to add: If my assertion is incorrect in that this may already be site policy or generally accomplished now, please nuke this post...  Edited by zeewool 11/25/2010 03:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well dude, I don't have any knowlegede of yoour posts being "nuked" as you say or of the infractions of which you clearly admit fault. But I do agree with you. If someones post must be remove I feel that an explanation along with a stern warning should be in order.
It has been suggested from time to time that a General Discussion forum be added for anything non numismatic to be discussed. I see both pros and cons for such a forum. It would be nice to see what other interests folks here have, but it could also be a potential breading ground for slander and libel has things could become heated in some threads.
I myself have not had a post removed, but I have had several edited by staff for links that were disallowed. No biggy as I did get an explanation as to why the links were removed and found it not to be unreasonable. The forum has rules we all must abide by as you clearly seem to understand, but you are like me, you wanna know why.
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Moderator
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Individual posts within threads are edited or removed far more frequently than entire threads getting deleted. An edited post will usually be redlined by the moderator doing the editing, and an explanation of the reason for the edit will usually be given, even if it's simply: Quote:***Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** We've got a little automatic thing that types all that in for us, in case we need to do it quickly. Deleting an entire thread causes the forum software to automatically send an e-mail to the thread's originator, informing them of the fact; this e-mail doesn't usually offer much in explanation as to exact details of the deletion, so if the circumstance warrants, the moderator will often send a manual e-mail to them explaining the deletion. If other people posted to the thread, they don't get any e-mail notices. Likewise, moderation or deletion of a single post in a thread doesn't generate an automatic e-mail, either. Sending a manual e-mail is entirely at the moderator's discretion. We try to do the right thing by our members and offer explanations for our actions where they are deemed necessary, but we're only human - and sometimes, if things are busy, we just plain forget. Some things are automatically moderated, via the forum's swear-word filter. This covers not just actual swear-words, but organizations and websites that have personally ticked off CCF's owner. This is an automatic word-for-word replacement that happens the instant the post is made, and an explanation is not usually given immediately - the staff aren't even aware that it's taken place, unless we stumble upon the thread by accident or someone Reports it. We've even had members get all upset over this automated moderation and leave the forum in a hissy fit, and we weren't even aware there had been a problem until it was too late. And no, we won't post a list of blacklisted websites for you to avoid mentioning; that would defeat the purpose of having a blacklist, i.e. to prevent the forum from being used to give that site any publicity at all. So if you see something like this suddenly appearing in one of your threads: Quote: (124) This link is not allowed by the Staff Then that's what's happened. For flagrant rule violations, new members are generally given less tolerance than older, more established members as far as explanation of moderation or deletion is concerned. If a thread or post looks like spam, it will be treated like spam and removed quietly and without comment, and the spammer will either be locked out of the forum or be e-mailed and asked to show cause why they shouldn't be locked out. Quote: It has been suggested from time to time that a General Discussion forum be added for anything non numismatic to be discussed. I see both pros and cons for such a forum. It would be nice to see what other interests folks here have, but it could also be a potential breading ground for slander and libel has things could become heated in some threads. Ummm, we have one. This link has been over there on the left hand side of the screen almost since the forum began. It's opt-in only, you can only see it if you request it, and it's only open to members with 50+ posts. That way we avoid the problem the old CU Open Forum had, of non-coin people joining the forum just to argue politics, religion or the price of eggs.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Allow me to clarify, Tim.....I was not the originator of the thread that caused my compulsion to begin this thread.....I was the last poster though, as far as I know.....I was worried that I had mentioned something that was so inappropriate that the entire thread might be deleted, and felt that if this were the case, then I should be the one to receive the wrist slapping or beheading. I agree with you in the case of a potential non numismatic forum, whoever decided not to go for it has my support....if there are any 'cons' at all, that to me is enough reason to refrain from the implementation of such a thing....that is what email is for, and besides, there are plenty of other online venues for such interaction....this is what I refer to when I say that I cross the line on occasion......I often weave my own agenda into numismatic threads or sometimes I might do so in apologetic fashion or in attempts to change a subject that I feel is becoming heated. More times than not though, I find that I am the source of that heat...heh, heh, heh. Well Sap, you seem to have more than answered all of my questions and concerns with such clarity and tactfulness that I would consider myself to be foolish indeed to continue this any further.....I like very much all of your answers and the manner in which you have presented them, closure is arrived at now....Thank you... 
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Pillar of the Community
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Okay, not only have I egg on my face, I feel as though I've been hit by the egg truck....The thread that I was stewing about was in fact moved rather than nuked....
It is Thanksgiving today, but it looks like crow is on my menu as opposed to the turkey that I am.....
I apologize sincerely to the staff for my stupidity and lack of faith in them.
zeewool
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Correction without explanation serves no useful purpose in my opinion And I doubt there is a moderator that will disagree with that statement. Sap said it best...we try. The majority of the time it's blatant disregard for the rules that only we and the "offender" knows. I see egg nor crow 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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You three are some of the ones that keep us on our toes. Any conversation on this forum get us to think and draw from the experience. Anyway...to lighten the mood, I say punishment for the innocent, forgiveness for the guilty, and praises for the uninvolved. Feel better now? OK, I'll go now! Gee, I wish I hadn't missed that one. I must have been asleep at the switch (or keyboard). Sounds as if it was a real "barn burner". 
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New Member
Argentina
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I have started three topics on this forum so far. One in the welcome forum and two in the Software forum. The last two were removed and I had no idea why. In the first topic I talked about a software catalog. In the second one I speculated about why the previous topic was removed. And got the topic removed again. As I don't know who removed the topic I have no one to ask why.
I have been using forums on the net for years. I've administered a couple of forums too. The rules of this forums are too broad to make it clear what is right and what is wrong here. But in the end, these rules don't differ too much (in spirit) from any other forum rules.
Any moderator out there who can bring some light on this issue?
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Administrator
 United States
326 Posts |
We have rules that everyone agrees to when they register. I'm sorry if you didn't read them.
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New Member
Argentina
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As a matter of fact a read them. An read them again after my first topic went off. And I wasn't able to infer why that happened. I had an idea about that, but then my second topic went off. And it won't fit in the first speculation.
Of course, there is a warning "The staff reserves the right to remove anything we deem unacceptable or off-topic". And anything can fit that rule anyway.
What's the point of not telling why a topic gets removed? Vanity? :)
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Moderator
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You might want to check the "Posting external links" section of the Rules.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Argentina
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That doesn't explains why the second topic got removed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4846 Posts |
there's no need to bring up a deleted topic, whats done is done.
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Moderator
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The second topic was removed, I suspect, because its title and content still looked like an attempt by you to advertise your site, and to simultaneously criticise the forum for having rules which prohibited such free advertisement by new members. We generally don't waste time explaining ourselves to spammers, as I said in my first post in this thread.
You appear to have joined this forum purely, solely and simply to advertise your software. Nothing you've posted, in any of the threads and posts you've made so far, has begun to convince us otherwise.
We'd be happy to be proved wrong about this, but that's up to you. Your account has not yet been locked because we still think there's hope that you might become an active, contributing member of the forum. Join in the discussions about coins, ask and answer questions, reach 50 quality posts, and then you'll find us far more lenient towards you advertising your wares.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Argentina
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That's what I thought. You (moderators) deleted the topics (both of them) because you simply didn't take the time to see what it was about.
Well. My site doesn't need any advertising. And my site isn't the URL I added in the first topic. That was a web application (check wikipedia for a good definition) I am working on for maintaining my coin collection organized. Nevertheless I shouldn't have posted the link. But what surprises me most is your ability to know what I was about to post in the future. And there is no rule about that. May be you should write a rule for that. Like "If you think about breaking any rule, your topic will be removed in advance".
You are welcome to check my application in the future to see you were wrong.
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