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1921-S Morgan VAM-6A ?

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Picked up some morgans today. Nothing special as far as dates/grades.
I like to check VF plus coins for any top 100's etc.
Was looking at this particular one as a 1921-P (no M.M.) I thought :)
Found nothing, but this die scratch that was on it had me
wanting to check furthur. By chance I saw a VAM 6A and 6B on the 21-S
Hit List 40 at Vamworld. Die marker matches to a T and I cannot see an
S m.m. except just a ghost with my loupe. No wear near the D in Dollar
so I think it must be a Vam-6A
Any thoughts ?

Thanks

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums...1/21Sobv.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums.../21Sobv2.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums...1/21Srev.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums.../21Srev2.jpg
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 Posted 02/18/2011  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thedadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it to me too. I saw no mention of the polished down ru in trust that yours has. Cool coin...kenny
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 Posted 02/18/2011  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reply. I did not even notice the RU.
I figured because of the D showing no wear that it may be
the 6A and not the 6B. Might even be a long shot (doubt it)
that it may be a P mint rev. die with the S obv.
Either way, wish it was a lot higher grade.
I kept looking at the m.m. area and found nothing.
Then after a while under diff. light and a little tilting etc.
could just make out an outline of an S.
The images are scans so not that great in detail.
Maybe others will chime in on it.
If a go, I will most likely put it up on here at the auction forum.
Maybe someone will have an interest.

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Almost forgot. Found an 1890-O Vam10 Comet in BU grade
earlier today. Doubled checked it and it is not a 10A (or was that B?) :)
That was good news.
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A Comet is a great pick! Very nice! Post some pics when you get a chance...kenny
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OK, we'll throw a wrench into the works now.

Here's a coin I consider to be a VAM-6B, images I scanned just to post in this thread:

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

If the "BU" slash is there, it's VAM-6. No other Morgan is known to have that slash except the 1921-S VAM-6. It's that simple. The coin I show here
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A little confused about your pics/wording. The pics. you show are not a 6B. No weakness on or around the D in Dollar. If the obv. has the scratch marker then it is a 6A. Not familiar with Vam6. Unless that was just a typo (meaning 6A). From what I learned, a completely obliterated "S" would also show the wear/polish around the D. Making it a 6B. I believe you would have to see at least a ghost of an "S" along with the obv. marker scratch naturally, to make it a 6A. Your pics. are good (mine are worse:) but cannot tell about the "S" from them. I will agree with you then if the scratch obv. marker is present (as it is on the 6B also) then your pics. are of a 6A. That also makes mine the same.
Maybe in a roundabout way that was exactly what you were saying.
Sorry if I misunderstood any of it.
Note: Will also get some scans of the "Comet" up soon.
Have to decide if worth the while for a slab on that one or just sell it raw. I noticed a raw ms63 went for more than a slabbed one. Never know, a TPG might give it a 64 grade. Nothing I see done by anacs (i like them) but they are tougher than pcgs etc. on grades. Actually they are mostly dead on but ?


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If I read the attribution correctly, VAM-6 has no BU marker. VAM-6A has BU marker, faint mm and strong D of DOLLAR. VAM-6B has BU marker, no mm and weak D of DOLLAR. I see strong D on both coins, of course condition would play a part in being able to see the mm. Good picks either way...kenny
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Sorry, got confused. Mixed up 6 with 6A
(did not know there was just a Vam-6)
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Yeah, I used "VAM-6" sort of inappropriately - shorthand in my own head that nobody else understands. There is a just-plain VAM-6 that lacks the BU scratch.

This is my second 6B. Neither had a mint mark, and neither had any weakness in the "D." They're known that way - here's another on VAMworld:

http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/33562960
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H'mmm, getting confused even more now.
That VAM link pic. looks to me like a 6A not a B
I think the author is asking if it is a 6B
but no real answer was given. The link I posted seems pretty clear
as one can also see the 6B link on it and compare the two.
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H'mmm, getting confused even more now.
That VAM link pic. looks to me like a 6A not a B


Where do you see a mint mark on that coin? I'm mystified here.
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I think what's throwing Indian1 off is that the strong D is not mentioned in the attribution of 6B, only the weak D is. Indian1; I'm sure if Dave says they are known this way in the VAM world, he's spot on.
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That's why I linked to the VAMworld thread - the first coin in it is a 6B with no weakness in the "D," just like mine.
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O.K. thanks Dave. Then mine has to be a 6B also then.
My mistake. Dazd got it then as far as what I was thinking. I thought that the second pic. in the link to vamworld that I posted (6A)
was of the 6A but I guess it is a pic. of the 6B
I saw the worn out D etc. on the pic. of the 6B and naturally thought
it was not mine. Oh well, like mentioned earlier, a find anyway.
I threw it up on the auction forum as a 6A. I better go fix it or delete
it. Thanks both of you for your help and patience. I'm going senile I guess :) I kept going back and forth from 6A to 6B at vamworld and saw
something that was not there. This is my first miss also on a VAM attribution. So I guess not to too senile then. Yettttttttt !!
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