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1878 Morgan 7 Over 8TF

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 Posted 09/24/2006  2:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's my 1878 7 over 8TF Morgan. Do you see anything that jumps out at you that would classify it as a VAM? I saw something about this Morgan having a weak doubling, and a strong doubling - which classification would you list this one as?
Oh - thanks to the folks here on the forum, I've learned about dot patterns, and cropping, and I'm having big fun playing with my scanner - but back to the point -if you need a close up of a particular area, let me know. Might be a mite fuzzy still, but I'll get better at it as I go along.

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 Posted 09/24/2006  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every 7/8 TF is a VAM,as a matter of fact every Morgan dollar is a VAM. I will look at the pictures in a minute but I just wanted to lay that little tidbit of information out there
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 Posted 09/24/2006  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you could have hit the Jackpot with this one, it looks like it is a VAM-32 and is the 2nd rarest 7/8 TF there is, I can't make out all the details to be 100% sure but it definately does look like it
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Cool. What attributes(?) put it in that classification? Also, do you think it would grade Fine or Very Fine - I get a little confused on the differences between these two grades, but I think it's one or the other.
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 Posted 09/24/2006  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add B12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say Fine on the grade.Just a little to much wear to go VF IMO.
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I am scanning the book and I want you to look at the places marked to see if it matches your coin, that way we can be 100% sure that the attribution is correct. it looks closer to the VAM-32 than any others in the book but I just can't make out the details good enough

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I've tried to scan close ups of the areas indicated - they're a mite fuzzy, and I can't really see the points as indicated in the book, but maybe you can see them well enough to help in determining if it is, indeed, a VAM-32.

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I still think it is a VAM-32 but still even with the pictures provided I can't be 100% sure. If you could look through a loupe or magnifying glass or something to look at those spots in the pictures and you be the judge because the pictures on here just aren't going to have enough detail to make a correct attribution. The picture of the cotton bolls look like it does have the scratch going around it like in the book and if it does it is either the 32 or 45 and the reverse looks nothing like the 45 so that pretty much narrows it down to just the 32
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 Posted 09/24/2006  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to do the magnifying glass thing at another time. I've squinted so much today looking at coins that these old eyes are hurtin' a mite. Maybe I oughta get me some Centrum Silver. :)
Thanks for your help.

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 Posted 11/24/2006  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan - This is the other coin I got back today from Jose.
In hand, he decided it is a VAM-36 - VF 20 Obv and F 12 Rev.
Not a 32, but cool to have just the same.

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I don't know this guy but I am not 100% sure I agree with him, this is a forum I posted when I first started this forum about a year ago and I was asking about my 7/8TF, I thought it was a VAM-34 but was told it was a VAM-36, which when I got the 7/8TF VAM book I thought the same thing because everything lined up on the Reverse, but then a few months later did more studying and found out it was a VAM-37 but it shares the same reverse as the VAM-36, just a few things on the Obverse is different
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...Terms=vam-36
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 Posted 11/24/2006  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, as you well know, I'm a complete novice when it comes to VAMs.
It appears that the 4th star on the right has the tip of the northeast point missing - there is a very slight doubling on the right side of the 7 in the date - 4 tail feathers showing - between 2 and 3, and under 3,4, and 5. The wear is such that I can't see any die chips on the reverse.
All in all - I'm not sure, now, what I do have. :-)

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if you have a VAM-36 it will look like the pictures above of the tail feathers. I guess your's could be a VAM-36 but it would still have to look like the pictures (hard to tell with what was provided)
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Bryan - My scan is nowhere near as clear as your photo, but this will give you an idea of the arrangement of the tail feathers. Definite on the 2, 3, and 4, not so sure on the 5.

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