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New Member
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I see a forum member has a very nice bar/dot quarter for sale, but I was wondering: isn't the bar variety a heavier stage die crack than the regular die crack appearing with this dot?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The "bar" is a die crack above the dot, that ties the ribbons together.
The dies of both the plain 1936 and 1936 dot cracked in a similar spot. The regular 1936 dot shouldn't have any die cracks...essentially, its the placement of this particular die crack that people decided to collect as a separate variety.
Not sure if you're talking about my coin, but I have the highest one ever graded by ICCS (EF40)...not to say there aren't others out there raw, or hiding in PCGS holders :).
But its a difficult variety to come by.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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ICCS has graded at least 2 that I know of that are MS. It just does not say so on the holder. That is one of the many issues with using population reports from ICCS which are highly suspect.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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True...but none higher than EF40 have sold in any major Canadian auction in the last 5 years (or at least I cant find any evidence of any)...
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Moderator
 Canada
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Therefore, if it is not in the ICCS Population Report, and neither has sold at any major auction, nor on ebay, it must not exist? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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"...not to say there aren't others out there raw, or hiding in PCGS holders :)."
Sometimes it helps to read the post to the end ;)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Exuberance and the willingness to share both knowledge and possessions is a wonderful trait. It is virtually impossible to state factually, statements such as "I have the best known" except with exceptions like the Pittman dot coins. They are absolutes which will still be openenly debated about quantity etc. because "One never knows" for sure. Many times I have watched individuals state they have the best known or even the ONLY known using ICCS pop. reports as a factual basis only to be corrected by others. I have been involved in such a scenario where the Charleton's editor stated that "Due to the Inability of ICCS to keep accurate records, the entry of only one known will not be made." A 36 Bar/dot in EF is a nice coin, but hardly the best known. I mean no offense in this post, however there are some who take what is written here as gospel, so they should know that facts may be correct as far as a poster knows, but that the truth may be very different. With out malice.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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And such information is appreciated. I guess its the same with the 1909 round leaf cross/bowtie nickels. Charlton/ICCS/trends state 4 known, yet now there are dozens "known". Though that didn't stop a lower grade example from selling for $3300 (ICCS VF30 October 21, 2010, 20:38, Torex October Auction...) I guess I tend to elicit rather angry and malicious responses from certain people...lol  Edited by canadian-varieties
10/16/2011 12:38 am
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Valued Member
Canada
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Not at all Danlos, but sometimes there's a whole matrix of misinformation out there.
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New Member
 Canada
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We're getting a little off topic here. I was simply stating that a "bar" variety should be from a late stage die crack, yielding a heavier crack that looks more like a bar than a simple die crack. The examples I've seen on the 1936 non dot were as such. maybe now ICCS is calling any die crack in that position a bar.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Yes...I think any die crack in that position is being called a "bar"...
I did sell my 1936 EF ICCS dot-bar for $800 a couple of days ago...
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Posted 10/14/2011 3:56 pm
