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Yanked The Rug Out From Under Silver An Gold Once Again....

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 Posted 11/18/2011  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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SO BF you are saying they make oral medicine which is composed of silver, or did I not understand that correctly?


Various medicines and remedies contain silver and gold. Check at the likker store for booze with gold in it. High-end restaurants put gold on salad.
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 Posted 11/19/2011  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the fact that you have a group of people all arguing why silver and gold, coins and collectables, herilooms and artwork, are great and all agreeing that it is great (often because of it being passed down to them or beging passed down by them) is an attestment to the stability and long term "potential" of precious metals. For many of us here, when beautiful silver coins are at there lowest in bullion value, we continue to buy them. And when other offerings of beautiful coins are at there highest value, we continue to buy. This isn't just because we are collcetors and fanatics. It's because we are also industrialists, health nuts, hoarders, speculators, collectors and people that both appreciate the beauty of the world we live in and the world that we make our own (technology and industry).
These metals are so ingrained into our psyche that there value often exceeds their practicallity and are associated with having something that is envious. In a way, my collection (though not near the quality of your collection) is far more valuable to me than any other collection simply because of how I got it (my grandfather hoarded a little ) but is also, and amazingly so, valuable to some technology, industry guru's that careless about sentimentality. I guess what I am really just saying is, is that my investment is a safe one. If it all crashed tomorrow...well that's fine. My money is not so tied up in it that, that would cause me to starve (not saying that there aren't some other things that might not) but at the same, any profit I make on the side stuff is pretty nice too. And if it all sky rocket, I have some that are priceless, to me at least, so that's good too.
I think what it really boils down to is what could be better than putting that aside money to something that is valuable to so many different individuals in so many different ways that the worst arguement we can get is how great it is.
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 Posted 11/19/2011  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never once got attached to a single coin. My grandfathers coins are long gone, as they should be. I made money on them and then money on top of the replacement bullion coins.

Ok well I lied a little I didn't part with the silver dollars. But my point is it is just silver and it was meant for making money not saving so no point getting attached to it. When the market gets high some of it goes and when the market is low I replace with more than I had.

Except for those silver dollars I treat everything just as silver and gold.
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 Posted 11/19/2011  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if you collected the coins with your Grandfather but I think some coins mean something to me since I did so with my father. I was tempted to sell some of the 'found' silver back in 1980 but what to replace with was always my thoughts. I just feel that PMs are a store of wealth so when the price rises and I have little faith in paper what else to get? Also to replace the price has top go back down and that may or may not happen. That's why many hold when low or high
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 Posted 11/19/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He didn't collect coins to collect coins. He did it figuring they would be worth something more some day. I leave the graded and pretty coins to the non bullion forums people. G & S is really about making some money along with having a different pool of security.

To make it work there are time to sell, you just have too. Holding and never selling can turn PM's into nothing more than a lead weight headed down with less security.

So by dollar cost averaging you sell some and make a profit etc.

It is like the 25 year anniversary coins I just got. To me they are bullion, special at that. Now if I open them to and set them on my desk never to sell then it is not an investment but a dust collector. Maybe that is the real reason they are still in the box.

Now paid for and sold for far more than I paid means that I can increase my silver count even more for a very low cost. The goal is to get more silver for the lowest cost possible and not to get attached. If I ever get attached than I am no longer a bullion person.

Just my thinking and the real reason I even own silver or gold coins. It just isn't cost effective to get too sentimental about it all.
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11/19/2011 7:59 pm
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Mk is making a lot of good comments here and I agree with most of them. But perhaps what we are getting into here is the difference between collecting and investing in coins? If I collect something, I will keep it until I can trade it for something else that better fits in my collection. I rarely sell because selling is not part of the collecting equation except when it furthers the collection. Investing, on the other hand, relies on buying the dips and selling the highs. Most of us probably mix the two of these to some extent. If we do, then it is up to each of us to decide what constitutes improving our collection and / or our finances.
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 Posted 11/19/2011  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some times I should look at the words I type. Well I corrected some of the grammar and spelling in the last one.


I bought the 25 ASE anniversary set. For bullion standards it was expensive. I'm not a collector, though they are beautiful. My intention is to have a limited production run of silver that will turn a faster and larger profit. Thus I am betting on the numismatics along with the silver on this one. In this case I'm betting on the coin guys to make my money.

To me they are just silver coins, though if I actually open them up and look at them I might break my rule.
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11/19/2011 8:06 pm
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 Posted 11/20/2011  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slyants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been trading silver for over 20 years and I can tell you that the hunt brothers are no longer interested in silver.The reason silver is so high in price now is because the younger generation needs at least a 10 % position in their portfolios for retirement also there is more of a demand for silver for industrial use then 20 years ago and with the way pensions and social security will be in the future then I can't see silver ever going back to 15 dollars an ounce.

Yes fear can cause large fluctuations but this is the 21ST century and how mush silver do think is still left to mine and what is the cost to get it to market. It is just by opinion but I don't see candy bars going back to a nickel either.
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 Posted 11/20/2011  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can get 2 candy bars for that Silver dime though!
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Touché angel maybe even a six pack
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 Posted 11/20/2011  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe! And I think that's part of the reasoning that Metal will keep at least intrinsic values
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11/20/2011 12:57 pm
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 Posted 11/20/2011  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You can get 2 candy bars for that Silver dime though!




Exactly, that same exact same silver dime will still buy 2 candy bars, just like it did when I was a kid. When you measure prices with real money, prices seldom change very much.
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 Posted 11/20/2011  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes and as a kid I kept those dimes! I was very young but I kept every Mercury and even the Roosevelts once 1964 came!
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 Posted 11/21/2011  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Silver has broken its short term uptrend with a 7% dump from yesterday. Likely to go to 30 or maybe even to 26, though I would be surprised at 26.

Gold, although down 3% from yesterday, has NOT broken its short term uptrend. Likely will not go below 1700, though if it does, watch out for 1600 or lower."

This statement above made a few days back by Mmerlin when this thread first started, has been buggin me this morn. The Dow is now down 300 to start new week as is most stocks, and gold and silver are indeed caught in the undertow for now, any thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/stocks-plunge...3236631.html
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my bet's on silver dropping below $30 but hovering there before building to another slower climb into the new year. Gold I don't feel will drop below $1650 if that and should test $1800 again before the year is out
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