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 Posted 12/06/2011  9:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
1. What is the best book for an overview of roman ancients? The net is great, but a book lays it out easier. I find the net better for refined ideas or better ways of doing specific things but a book usually covers a bit more about most aspects.

2. Is there a common beginner type coin? Like a bronze that would have nice detail and design? Size doesn't matter but bigger wouldn't hurt. Uncleaned would be cool? I have a microscope for other things, so I want to try to clean one but want it to be nice as well. Am I asking too much? :P

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 Posted 12/06/2011  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll leave the book recommendation to others since I don't like any of the contenders all that much and do prefer the net for beginners leaving the books for 'refined ideas'. A few years back I listed the 12 most common types found in uncleaned lots on a page. Of course there are many others to consider but I still consider these the most commonly seen:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...cleaned.html

Of these the most common is the Falling Horseman (#1). You can buy them uncleaned or cleaned as you choose. Chances of getting a great looking coin out of your first attempt at cleaning is not great. I am always in the minority suggesting that you buy cleaned coins if you want coins to keep for years and uncleaned coins if you want the fun of playing with them.
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I am always in the minority suggesting that you buy cleaned coins if you want coins to keep for years and uncleaned coins if you want the fun of playing with them.


It may surprise you, but I agree 100%. Buying cleaned 3d and 4th century coins to begin with is my suggestion. While I may disagree on the "Fallen Horseman" as the coin to begin a collection, it is one of the more common types. Most of these I find to be poor artistry. I personally prefer IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing with Victory on globe, but I guess that accounts for personal taste.

If you decide to buy uncleaned coins I would suggest you buy coins identified as "premium" grade. The chances of finding something other than a slug is much better and in most cases the cleaning process is easier as well. I've almost given up on uncleaned lots entirely as I find I can buy good quality cleaned coins for not much more. Many are unattributed or mis-attributed so one can still have the "fun" of identifying.

Again, I agree with Doug about the books. There are some out there that you will want to obtain eventually. Most of the good ones are expensive. I also find the hard copies to be somewhat cumbersome as compared to the ability to use search engines on a computer.

Good luck with whatever direction you decide to take. Its a great hobby. And stick around on this discussion board. There is a ton to learn here and great participants as well.
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wifi messing up tonight so this is the second time I'm tying this. Books aren't cheap, to get a set of RIC it's going to cost over $1,000. The newest book out is ERIC II which will cost $150. Wayne Sayles books will cost about $25 each and David Sears books will run just under $100. I good general reference for someone that is just starting out is The Handbook of Roman Imperial Coins, you can probably find one on ebay for around $25.

I agree with the others on the coins.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll check out the webpage for sure. The books at a library.

I so wanted to clean a coin from a matrix. It seems it would be like cleaning fossils.

Does anyone have a picture of IOVI CONSERVATORI that is "nicely/properly cleaned"? What an "ideal" specimen would look like? How much data should come with the coin? Roughly it's value?

I see some very interesting coins. Ancients seem a little more complex though as the history is long.
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I checked my local library for books about ancient coins. They had Wayne Sayles' 'Ancient Coin Collecting' volume I and David Sear's 'Roman Coins and their Values'. Of the two I found Wayne Sayles book to be a better introduction. It is an intro to _all_ ancient coins. There are follow up volumes specific for Roman coins, which I have not read. The Sear book had good introductory information for the first 20% or so, but after that was just a list of descriptions and prices. I enjoy the ERIC I which is free online as it has an intro section and a few paragraphs about each individual emperor. Wikipedia can give you more historical info if you are interested.

If you are just a beginner there is no reason for comprehensive guides costing lots of $$$. You can get those after your collection has a focus.

Of course the internet has changed everything, and there are lots of excellent resources there as well.

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 Posted 12/07/2011  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have attached images of a couple of my IOVI CONSERVATORI coins. I have purchased some as low as approx. $5 and as high as approx. $35, depending on condition:

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This last coin is the best specimen on this post. It is a Constantine II AE Follis, RIC VII 55 minted at Heraclea:

OBV: D N FL CL CONSTANTINVS NOB C, laureate cuirassed bust right
REV: IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter standing left with Victory on globe & eagle-tipped sceptre, eagle & captive at feet, X over II Μ right, SMHA in ex.

This particular coin cost me $30. I have many more, but these should show what you wanted to know. Ancients are the most interesting to me because of the history. I think you have to have some interest in history to love these coins.
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Nice pictures! :)
Does the first coin need to be cleaned? I can't tell if it is worn down or matrix or a layer of mineral deposits are on it? The coins are nice!
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Yes I will pick up some books at the university library. The coins are nice and the history of them adds a lot.
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 Posted 12/08/2011  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like Wayne Sayle's books and recommend them to anyone who wants to learn about the hobby. However most beginners seem to be obsessed with catalog numbers and Wayne does not go there at all. He shows pictures of many neat coins and tells about what makes them interesting but he does not give you stuff to write on your catalog cards. His volume one is an overview with 2 through 6 expanding one particular area (Greek, Roman, Provincial, Byzantine and 'Non-Classical' (neither Greek nor Roman but still ancient). Wayne shows many coins you will never have any hope of owning (like the Noah's Ark commemorative in volume four) but enough common coins to give the idea. After spending the time to digest his series, you will be a much more capable collector but you will know little or nothing about the minor variations that separate two adjacent RIC numbers, for example. Those of us that buy mostly $5-50 coins may complain that he has too many $500-$50,000 items but his book gives a good overview about the entire spectrum of the hobby. If I were to write a book on coins, it would probably be a lot like Wayne's or Harlan Berk's 100 greatest coins but aimed directly at presenting only budget saving options (no gold, no rarities and lots of coins you see posted here). I love non-catalog coin books.
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Does the first coin need to be cleaned?


That's as good as that one will ever be. Years of wear and corrosion have taken it's toll.
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