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 Posted 12/28/2011  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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However, if someone used a steak knife in a crime they could/would be arrested.

I just bought some Farberware. Care to guess where it was made?

If someone in the US sells a fake as real, they, too, can be arrested.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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It is illegal to dispense prescription drugs without a license and a prescription, no matter what you call them. That's the difference.
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No, that's why its the same. Any item made to look like a coin, made or sold in the U.S. after 197x must be stamped "copy" or it violates the HPA and is illegal, regardless of intent or purpose.
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You guys are talking at each other instead of talking to each other.

It is illegal to make an item that looks like a U.S. coin without the word "copy" on it, so whoever made the Morgan replica broke the law. That doesn't mean, however, that it is illegal to sell such an item (especially if you clearly identify it as a copy).
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That doesn't mean, however, that it is illegal to sell such an item (especially if you clearly identify it as a copy).


I think you need to check the law again. If they're not marked according to the HPA, they're illegal, no matter who made it.

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article...ws/110809946


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Jenkins is accused of selling the counterfeit silver coins at Mal's Jewelry and Loan on Broad Street, where the merchant paid $1,120 for the collection sealed in plastic. After the transaction, the merchant inspected the coins more closely and realized they were made of steel.


Steel. Think they were magnetic?

I could throw a list of proof an arms length long together in about 10 minutes but I won't.
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Bobby is correct, the fake can be confiscated.

Additionally, as others have said, the fact that it is being sold as a "magic coin" does not matter as:


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(b) Coins and other numismatic items
The manufacture in the United States, or the importation into the United States, for introduction into or distribution in commerce of any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked "copy", is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in commerce under the Federal Trade Commission Act [15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.].


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(3) The term "original numismatic item" means anything which has been a part of a coinage or issue which has been used in exchange or has been used to commemorate a person or event. Such term includes coins, tokens, paper money, and commemorative medals.
(4) The term "imitation numismatic item" means an item which purports to be, but in fact is not, an original numismatic item or which is a reproduction, copy, or counterfeit of an original numismatic item.


Thus, I could create a "magic coin" that was a 1925 Morgan because that year didn't exist, but I can't create or import a fake 1921 Morgan that is magnetic without correct markings.

Now, the ebay seller himself may not be violating the HPA in selling this fake (I doubt he manufactured or imported it personally), but he may be violating other laws and he is absolutely violating other laws if attempts to sell as a real coin.

Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/ch48.html

Do your own due diligence regarding the laws if you wish to create or sell something like this, please. Don't just rely on me.
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