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1923 Half-Penny (King George V) - Grade & Value?

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 Posted 01/28/2007  01:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
How would you grade the following 1923 Half-Penny, and what would you estimate it's value at? A family member is contemplating buying it, and I wanted some opinions before I told him what I thought about it. Also, is a 1923 Half-Penny a good investment? Has it been increasing in value? All opinions and advice wanted!

1923-Half-Penny-King-George-V---Grade-&-Value?
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 Posted 01/28/2007  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add craig_vt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gday Snooba

I have just sent you an email ref this topic

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 Posted 01/28/2007  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd have to call it at least VF - maybe gVF. CV (Macca's 14th) is $6000 for VF; I'd guesstimate somewhere in the $6000-$7000 range for it.

Where's that coin coming from?

For anyone not "in the know" about Australian coins, the 1923 halfpenny is one of the "key dates" of the Australian series, and the scarcest halfpenny. If the 1930 penny is "king", then the '23 half is "crown prince".

I've got a couple of old catalogues; here's what some of them say for a VF coin:

Seven Seas Guide (1978): $450
Prior's pocketbook (1994): $1000
Renniks (2004): $4500
Maccas 13th (2005): $6500

Long term: steady upward trend.
Short term: subject to fluctuation.

Macca's CV has dipped a bit in lower grades for this coin since last edition; prices for Unc specimens are unchanged at $60,000. Perhaps the high prices have brought more coins "out of the woodwork", raising supply. Maybe it's just fad 'n' fashion, with all the big money moving to florins rather than scarcer bronzes. Not sure.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap: It is from KJC Coins (Australia) Pty Ltd. Have you ever dealt with them? Are they highly recommended?
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 Posted 01/28/2007  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
6 clear pearls, the other 2 are kinda ok. I'd say VF+. Current CV 6-10k. No idea of likely short term gains. I wouldn't buy it for CV, more like CV-30%. At this price I guess long term they should do ok, after all noone will be making any more of these.

This one went on ebay and I'd call it aVF or F+ for $2k A(which is F type money).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Very-Rare-19...nd_W0QQitemZ320069169499QQihZ011QQcategoryZ39393QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Consider this item

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VERY-RARE-GE...NY_W0QQitemZ300071771065QQihZ020QQcategoryZ39394QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Monetarium listed this at F money and graded it VF/aVF. Hence I wouldn't be paying anywhere near VF money for the 1923 1/2d.

Here's something else for your consideration:

http://www.jaggards.com.au/shop/vie...ategoryid=12
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 Posted 01/28/2007  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
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Sap: It is from KJC Coins (Australia) Pty Ltd. Have you ever dealt with them? Are they highly recommended?

The Sydney dealer? I've only been to Sydney once, and bought an entire one coin off them, an ancient tetradrachm of Alexander the Great. I'm not displeased with it, but "1" is hardly a good statistical sample.

As far as I'm aware, there general reputation is impeccable. They are starting to evolve into an auction house.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool, KJC coins have a page that list a number of investment coins and how they have appreciated over the years. The 1923 half penny in VF is there for $4500 in 2006.

Out of my price range unfortunately.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should have no problem from KJC....bought a few high quatity coins from them for resale.....infact if you want I can see if can get a better price for you if you do not mind buying it through me....I should be able to at least match it.
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 Posted 02/02/2007  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Snooba, you never trust a real estate agent who tells you the house they're trying to sell you is a good investment. The same goes for coin dealers. Do your research. Grab old auction catalogues from ten years ago, with the realisations (not forgetting the comm.) and compare it to how much coins are selling today. Look at old catalogues, old Coin Reviews. There's a useful tool on the Noble's website where you can look into their archive of sold coins. This is very useful for researching purposes.
As for whether the 1923 ½d is a good investment? It definitely has a proven track record, but the coin is very common in absolute terms. Demand for it, however, is high, so the prices rise accordingly. If you want to invest in coins, you MUST diversify. You can't just buy one coin and say "I've got a numismatic investment", because it's like buying a share from company XXX, and saying "I've got a share investment". There's absolutely no way that you or anyone can guess which rarity dealers are going to push next. You MUST spread out your numismatic investment into the different areas: banknotes, Commonwealth proofs, gold proofs, colonial coins, rare date coins (such as the 1930 penny and the 1923 half), and patterns. Personally, I would not buy a 1923 penny in any grade less than EF, because they are simply too common. For $5000 you can buy a very rare 1918P half sov - IF YOU CAN FIND ONE! For $5000, you can get the very underrated 1931 dropped 1 Indian die, of which there is said to be less than 50 pieces around. For $5000 you can buy a decimal star note. There's a lot to do with $5000. If you really want to buy a 1923 half penny though, do your research and then buy it from auction. BUT BE CAREFUL, if you haven't researched it, you can get very burned.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eric....what you say is valid to some degree but is not exactly right.

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you never trust a real estate agent who tells you the house they're trying to sell you is a good investment. The same goes for coin dealers.





Research will include speaking with dealers. Reputable dealers should be able to advise you which numismatic item is better to invest in based on past performance and current outlook. In saying that...do some research on your dealer...have a relationship with your dealer then you will save time and possibly get more out of them than you can any book or magaine.

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There's absolutely no way that you or anyone can guess which rarity dealers are going to push next.




Wrong here...you will find what dealers push is due to what the market wants and what is available...in other words it is market driven.

I agree you should diversify but rarity is not always anything. Eric is correct in saying there is a number of rarities out there for $5000 but you generally do not go wrong with items that people want...1923's are one of those...as are 1930 pennies. Not everyone wants a 1931 dropped one indian die penny so it does not take much for the bottom to fall out of that market...particularly if a few more are found and hit the market. I am not saying the items Eric mentions are bad but as he says...do your research.

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If you really want to buy a 1923 half penny though, do your research and then buy it from auction.




Auction is not for everyone...firstly you have little chance to see the item in real life, you get little adice from the auction house, you can get caught up in the hype and overpayand you may not have the expertise needed to participate in an auction....some lots can have 10 bids and be over on less than 30 seconds. The up side is you can get a good deal if you know what you are doing....you can also get a good deal from a dealer and save al ot of the hassles an auction has as well.

Whether you buy from auction or a dealer...do as Eric says and do some research.





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Sellers with genuine pre decimal rarities don't use ebay to sell them normally
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