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40 Days Of Canada Large Cents 1858-1920

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Glenn, I have seen post's about your collection, ever since I signed up on this forum and finally seeing some pictures is absolutely incredible! From the posts I have read, and the pictures I am seeing in this thread, you have one AMAZING collection.
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Thanks C-B, a lifetime's never ending work in progress!

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coingirl, the previous photos are the actual colors. So are these. Red is a figure of speech. They are a yellowish-gold before they tone.

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Coingirl, I had the pleasure of seeing the bosox complete collections of large cents in person. They are the single best set of coins I've had the opportunity to inspect. The photos bosox is putting up are accurate. I am embarrassed to say bosox needed to wipe the drool of the holders before he put them away!

There have been some great coins shown here, some high end, some mid grad, some varieties. Large cents is a wonderful collecting avenue.
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coingirl => you had me at


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bosox and glenzy1 => wow, it's kinda like watching two boxers duke-it-out for the heavy-weight belt! (actually, "everybody's" coins are wonderful!)

=> it's a thing of beauty to watch!
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 Posted 04/04/2012  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coingirl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Dan,
Not looking for an argument at all, for sure not, just a logical explanation.
all I want to know is WHY the coins are called RED..when in fact the images do not show the coin to be red.
it seems to be a puzzle
no problem or disrespect at all with the coins or Rob, or you , or anyone...etc...No challenge at all. just want to know why they do not show as red when they are designated as red...
If I take an image of a red cent, then I am not happy until it actually does show the respective color of the subject coin in the Images I show.
Or, is there a professional code or agreement amongst coin experts that RED is not shown as red?
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Photoshop with auto colour correction.

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Interesting.
I do not have photo shop.
I use ACDsee 14. there is a color correction. But it comes out very close to the way the object is
anyway, let it be... was just curious (still am) but not important.
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2 x 1891 1 cent
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and another 1891
notice the different rim properties.... just wondering about it?


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Coingirl, modern cents look red, because they are plated in copper. Prior to 1942, Canada's coins were struck in bronze (95% Cu, 4% Sn and 1% Zn). Freshly minted coins from 1858 to 1941 look yellow to yellow orange when new (look at a gem 1939 small cent for a good colour comparison). After 1941, the copper content increased to 98%, and the colour of freshly minted cents were more red, like those you see in the old proof-life sets. For example, compare a gem 100% "red" 1939 to a 1949 cent...

I have seen a few of Rob's cents in hand, and the colours you see on your screen (of course, depending on your screen settings) are pretty much as they are in hand.
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Thanks guys...
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It makes one wonder how on Earth does a 100+ year old coin retain any of it's red, especially when you see so many modern day (less than 25 years old) cents as brown as my rear end! You wonder sometimes if any hanky panky may have been done to 'em sometime in the past?

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Depends on the environment, especially the humidity. In arid areas and absent reactive substances, copper doesn't tone very quickly at all.

Some old coin collections were also stored in copper containers, so the container was the sacrificial element instead of the coin. Many coins were lacquered until recently.

A couple of my high grade coins clearly show the effects of lying undisturbed under another coin for decades. They have a small crescent of toned area that was exposed, while much of the coin is original red from being protected by the other coin. See the 1859 W9/8 I posted earlier in this thread.

Some old coins were stored in rolls, which protected the inner coins. I own a 1913 cent in MS-66 Red. That coin and three other MS-66 Reds came from an original half roll that turned up and was sold to Joe Iorio five or six years ago. Essentially nobody in the Canadian numismatic world knew the roll existed until the owner brought it to Joe's table to sell.

Bottom line is I think it takes a very protected environment and a lot of luck for a Vicky cent to still be original red, but those coins do still exist. They are scarce and they are expensive, but they are wonderful to behold. It has been my experiance that Trends is in the ballpark with their 50-100% surcharge for a full original red coin over the regular ICCS MS-65 price. I have a purchased a few at twice Trends in auctions with spirited bidding, often against dealers.

P.S. I haven't seen any chemical substance that restores the original color of a Victorian bronze cent. Once you know the right color, it is unmistakeable.
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Some old coins were stored in rolls, which protected the inner coins. I own a 1913 cent in MS-66 Red. That coin and three other MS-66 Reds came from an original half roll that turned up and was sold to Joe Iorio five or six years ago. Essentially nobody in the Canadian numismatic world knew the roll existed until the owner brought it to Joe's table to sell.


Often with small cents in original rolls, the coin will be red, but the rim and edge will be brown. Sometimes, owners did funny things to preserve them. Some were wrapped in tin foil, others sealed in wax. Did the rim of your coin retain its colour?
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