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The Penny Is Finally Toast

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 Posted 03/30/2012  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littlemoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of you guys that use penny or cent as part of your name may want to check out other options.
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 Posted 03/30/2012  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To bad we couldn't get rid of the real problems of wasted money in the government. (Hey look over there the cent is killing us).
The private money sector can handle to 1 cent. The government cannot. Big fail on the governments part... nothing new there... they have the tax payer to pay for their mistakes anyhow.
The 2013 cents will become NCLT's. Then the government corporation will gladly make them for huge profits.
Guess the nickel is next. Then the dime... etc... because hey after-all by getting rid of the cent the problem is solved... oh wait it's not... it's those darn nickels now.



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 Posted 03/31/2012  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Considering the intoduction of the toonie, if we loose the 1 cent we still have the same number of denominations ciculating.The 50 cent as been gone for a long time.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well considering the extra cost of all the versions of the quarters Canada has for circulation. How many versions are there? A million or two now? Cut some cost and only produce a standard circulation quarter. They gov really has no sense... and if they do it is certainly at YOUR cost.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew it would come this.The Canadian taxpayer will soon be pennyless.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, DBM, we are pennyless for sure...
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 Posted 03/31/2012  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If for some reason, they decide to melt down all of the 2012 pennies instead of releasing them into circulation, this could turn out to be another year like 1921... I know it's highly unlikey, but a guy can always dream.


Melting cost more than the pennies' face values. It is unlikely that this happens, but I will keep all my 2012 pennies.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 1921 the RCM minted the 5c/50c coins, sold/gave away some to mint visitors, and then decided not to release them to circulation.

It's probably more likely that they'll overproduce the 2012 cent somewhat to provide enough for the transition period. It seems from the announcement there will not be a 2013 circulation cent.

Some other thoughts:

I guess that means a return to a six coin uncirculated set out of Winnipeg.

If Ottawa keeps producing the one cent for specimen/proof sets, I expect they will use the original bronze alloy, since that planchet is probably cheaper in NCLT quantities.

I predict a bunch of "lucky penny" stuff from the RCM in coming years, to take advantage of nostalgia as the cent is removed.

I wonder what this will do to one cent values over time? Most youngsters start collecting with the one cent. The early 20s key dates tend to be more valuable than scarcer and old large cents. Early 20s nickel 5c are more valuable than silver 5c of similar mintages.

Examples (mintages and prices from jandm.com)

MS-60 1c

1898H - 1,000,000 - $150
1924 - 1,593,195 - $175

MS-60 5c

1917 - 5,521,373 - $40
1929 - 5,611,911 - $75


Possibly hoarding of the silver at the transition is a possibly factor for the 5c. That would make the circulated samples tend to be much higher average grade, possibly depressing the uncirculated too.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully now they can make the dime into a larger coin so that I can actually hold it in my fingers!

But really, why don't they revalue the penny to be worth more than what it is currently? You have the monetary tools in circulation already, but it'll take manpower to remove them and then do what? You can't even melt/recycle half of them, so what is the point of doing anything to them? It would even deter melting of copper issues!
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 Posted 03/31/2012  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DvntMstr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the government really wanted to cut costs and reduce expenses to balance the budget they would look at the money spent on their own pay raises and pensions, we have to work 50 years plus to qualify for a pittance of a pension that wont exist for future generations while they have only to serve 6 months to qualify for a pension that is 4-5 times the national household income level. Lets evaluate why they are paid an annual salary for less time worked than a teacher, or ponder how one MP is worth as much as 5 police officers per year. This has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility it has to do with protecting their own interests. Save the small cent, do away with the Liberals and the NDPs and scrap the rest of them while were at it and come up with a system that works . . . and the imitation democracy this country boasts is NOT the working model of perfection it claims to be, not even the country both my grandfathers fought and died for.The issue is not the penny or one cent if you prefer, the issue is how much will our country be changed before it like the penny ceases to exist.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless of your political affiliation, you have to admire the political genius of cancelling the cent in the budget. The retirement age got lifted to 67 (in some respects), the politically sensitive CBC got cut 10% and all the newspapers write about is the more concrete but fiscally (and frankly to anybody but us collectors) irrelevant elimination of the cent. The Conservatives will get a retirement age increase through as a complete freebie as far as criticism goes. It was I suspect a very much planned situation. True genius.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Libertad =>
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why don't they revalue the penny to be worth more than what it is currently?


=> man, I totally agree => I have a whole barrel full of pennies waiting on-deck to be revalued (that's a great idea!) ... I think all of the old pennies should now be worth $1 each ... does anybody second this motion?



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 Posted 03/31/2012  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Revaluations are not something to be looked foward to, generally people end up having their entire life savings devalued and sometimes wiped out completely. The Finance Minister of North Korea was executed because of public backlash due to a revaluation. The revaluations themselves cause even more inflation because foriegners figure if the government is willing to revalue its currency once it will be willing to do so again in the future. Decimalization was a excellent excuse for hiding revaluations in many countries based on non decimal systems, but since every government uses a decimal system that excuse can no longer be used. One of the things that has helped bolster the US dollar throughout recent times is that it has never suffered a revaluation. A Half Cent from the 1790's is still legal tender.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh well, that will leave the US Cent as the only still current coin I collect. It is inevitable I suppose, but both my Canadian and US Large and Small cent sets are complete, I just update with each new year.
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 Posted 03/31/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well considering the extra cost of all the versions of the quarters Canada has for circulation. How many versions are there? A million or two now? Cut some cost and only produce a standard circulation quarter. They gov really has no sense... and if they do it is certainly at YOUR cost.


actually the many different quarters MADE money. people buy them and hoard them and the mint makes more to replace them. cycle of life
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