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 Posted 06/22/2012  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silver_surfer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i stacked heavily when silver was above $40 per oz. however by going to auctions in the country I was able to average about $23 or so an oz for proofs etc of the 20th century. I thought about selling right away and taking the profits, but I decided to ride this thing out for the long haul. I hope it works out! the evidence would lead me to believe that in the next ten years it will. maybe sooner? :)
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 Posted 06/22/2012  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver Surfer, you bring up an good point. I too have been buying Commem's. I can find them at $20 to $24 each. A bit pricier than 90 percent, but they have two things going for them that I can see. The first is you are getting a known amount of silver per dollar. With 90 percent a lot of what you are buying is not at the original weight. The second is that I have seen a massive number of Commem's being melted. I really wonder if after "The Great Scrapping" that certain issues will turn out to be rare. Ala the Morgan series.

For instance they made about 700k Olympiad Silver dollars. One of the bullion buyers I work with keeps pretty good records. Mostly for legal reasons; property recovery being the chief one. He has scrapped 512 of these in the last 3 years. And that is just one of 6 in this mid sized city. Lets be conservative. Let us say that 10k have been scrapped in this state...times 50 states....and you can see that PERHAPS 70 percent of all those coins have gone to the melting pot. More likely with population densities and what not that only 40 percent of the total issue has been melted. But if this keeps up for a few years you can easily see the upside potential in buying these at spot+.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Center Pin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@Silvernut I disagree about Australia, South Africa and Canada also have huge reserves and Canada's viewed as a safe-haven right now. I understand your patriotism but there's no way Australia would be at the top alone.


The problem with Canada is we depend too heavily on the US as a trading partner, industry is trying to balance that out but it will take a long time.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The outlook on global economics remain very grim as we'll see the dow jones crash late 2013, early 2014 ... probably down to around 3500. We'll see the China bubble burst in the next few years. The only country in the world that will stand up ok (but is not immune to it) will be Australia because of it's strong natural resources sector, and the taxes the government take from all Australians and industries and businesses. What does this have to do with silver?

Silver has been too low for too long. It's a consumable, it's becoming rare, mines are becoming exhausted, and by 2023 (provided you invest in physical silver regularly) you will not be in lower class of people. It's the old supply and demand scenario. Silver will rise very soon and it won't be stopping for anything for a lot of years.


I don't get it. I understand accumulating PMs in anticipation of a global shortage of PMs for consumer electronics, etc., but if you're talking about the Second Great Depression, isn't that going to greatly DECREASE demand for PMs? Would that not LOWER prices for PMs? If everyone is starving, I'm not going to trade my loaf of bread for a silver dollar! Maybe that's why PM prices are falling - the world economy is no longer on the gold standard and the outlook is bleak. I think silver will rebound because I have faith in our ability to once again back away from the precipice and grow the world economy.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know how many of you are children of the 60s like I am. But ask anyone who lived through the 60s and 70s and they will tell you that everyone KNEW, not thought but KNEW, that the world was going to run out of oil by the mid 1990s. It was a "fact" that all in the media and academia were touting.

We have no way of knowing how much of any element is present in the Earth. Maybe we will run out in a few years; unlikely in my view. Or maybe they will discover a vein so large it depresses the cost of silver down to a few cents on the dollar. Read your history, this is precisely what has happened at least twice in our nations past. The comstock load being a good example.

All I am saying is that whenever I hear someone say that a given commodity will run out in the near future....I no longer pay attention. That argument has been done to death by those of us that are old enough to remember all the other times it has been used.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a new techno resource will replace silver into the future, but it will required lots of PM to replace it first!?

So I will buy my PM today.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silvernut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chances are I could be very wrong about my predictions and assumptions. Only time will tell I guess. In the meantime, I'll still be stacking silver like it's going out of fashion. I'll be bagging my gold nuggets too that I get from down the road.

Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. It's really the only way you can know what you're doing is the right thing to set yourself up for the future. There will be an enormous transfer of wealth in the next 10 years. How will you get your share?
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 Posted 06/22/2012  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There will be an enormous transfer of wealth in the next 10 years. How will you get your share?


The enormous transfer of wealth has been going on for 30 years. It started with the misguided notion that supply-side economics (trickle-down economics) was the way to grow our economy. That experiment ended with the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression. It's time to stop the transfer of wealth to the top 1%. It's time to do what Eisenhower would have done - strengthen the middle class.

How will I get MY share of wealth? I get my share by WORKING for it as a small business owner. All of my employees are natural born Americans and all of my jobs are in America. If it comes down to an end-of-the-world scenario, I have a stockpile of lead. The only PM I need to get food.

In a less dramatic scenario, I envision the world economy recovering, China gaining steam, and the demand for PMs picking up. That's why I'm buying the items in my Type Set that are largely driven by silver prices now. I think silver will head back up. In the past week I've purchased a Morgan dollar, Peace dollar, Walking Liberty half, 1964 Kennedy half, Barber quarter, and a couple of 40% Ikes I needed. I hope silver prices stay down so I can pick up the Seated Liberty coins at a good price. I'm also looking at FINALLY getting the '59 to '64 mint sets, but prices haven't dropped enough yet.
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 Posted 06/22/2012  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silvernut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The middle class will never strengthen. The gap between rich and poor is increasing daily, and there will be no middle class in the near future. Unfortunately there will be only rich or poor.

Whatever you're doing now to improve your current and future financial situation can only be right for you ... if you believe it!

Good Luck
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 Posted 06/22/2012  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The middle class will never strengthen. The gap between rich and poor is increasing daily, and there will be no middle class in the near future. Unfortunately there will be only rich or poor.


If that's true, China will become the lone SuperPower of the world. If that's what you want, do nothing. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. I have hope that we will come to our senses at the ballot box before it's too late. I hope that prediction is better than any I've made regarding silver prices!
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 Posted 06/23/2012  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
all risks have investments as we mentioned, if we find a huge large supply of silver in the near future silver can be completely worthless. Imagine buy a pound of silver for 4 dollars, it could happen. If the world ends in a couple of months it won't even matter. Material assets seem to be a safer investment than just leaving your money in the bank however. What exactly to invest in I don't know at the moment.

I like the idea of just coin roll hunting and obtaining silver or copper at face price. I don't think you can really get that rich of that either as you can't just go through 4000 dollars of dimes in a week, you probably could as far as the time required, but no bank is going to allow you to get that much in a week, yet alone allow you to deposit it back without a fuss. So if you really want to get into investing several thousand dollars in metals buying for a premium seems the way to go.
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06/23/2012 12:24 am
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 Posted 06/23/2012  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if we find a huge large supply of silver in the near future silver can be completely worthless

It's not just the possibility of finding MORE silver, but the possibility of needing another metal more. That's why we had steel pennies and silver nickels in WWII. We needed copper and nickel more than steel and silver. A fundamental shift in the need for a particular PM can drive prices in either direction. The "need" market is more powerful than the "want" market. We need silver to make cell phones. We want silver for jewelry, but if the price is too high we can use a substitute.
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 Posted 06/23/2012  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But ask anyone who lived through the 60s and 70s and they will tell you that everyone KNEW, not thought but KNEW, that the world was going to run out of oil by the mid 1990s.

It is really easy to underestimate the impact of new technology that now allows us to economically recover MUCH more oil from old wells than was possible even just a few years ago. Wells that had been considered "played out" are now producing significant volumes of oil.


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We have no way of knowing how much of any element is present in the Earth.

No, we don't. There is a great deal about the Earth that remains unknown to us. What we do know is that significant new finds of silver and gold are getting more and more uncommon and that the miners are using advanced technology to mine areas of lower and lower quality ore. Many of these were discovered years ago but were not economical then. Now they can be mined economically. The higher price of silver and gold certainly help with this but that is not the only factor involved.

My opinion is that we are running out of easy to get at and therefore cheap oil and metals. It is likely that there is still a lot of both out there to be discovered and exploited but doing so will not be as quick, easy, or cheap as before. A good example is the sea floor. It is 3/4 of the Earth's surface yet, other than by oil companies, has barely been touched by mining companies. It is not only possible but likely that 3x as much silver and gold are there as are on the dry parts of the Earth just based on the size of the areas involved. Whether or not we can develop the technology to actually recover these metals is an open question. I imagine that we will be able to do so at some point in time but when that will be is anyone's guess.

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06/23/2012 3:19 pm
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 Posted 06/23/2012  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ed, what you say is true. Pricing is, in a way, self-regulating for oil and metals. As price goes up, more places are profitable to drill/mine thus increasing supply and putting a cap on price. If the price falls, marginal wells/mines suspend operations and thus provide a floor for the price. That is, until speculation enters the picture!
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 Posted 06/23/2012  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the oil running out, I recall being very young in Catholic school having the nuns tell us there was about 50 years of oil left! I also recall learning base 2 and them telling us how someday computers will run everything!! Also recall F451, Animal Farm, Brave New world and 1984 in high school thinking them impossible but just look at our world today!
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