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Did ANACS Make A Mistake Grading This 1922 No D ?

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Back from a coin trip so here's a PCGS graded VF-20 1922 Plain with Strong Reverse. Note the extreme wear of the obverse die and the almost pristine wheat lines and stem of the wheat stalk on the reverse. There is absolutely no chance that yours is the Die 2 strong reverse. Please keep us in the loop on ANACS' response. Hope this helps. PG

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A friend who thinks it is a Die 2 suggested that maybe my cent was late die state and one of the last produced.


The 1922 No-Ds are not classifed by die, they are classified by die pair, i.e. the specific mating of an obverse and reverse die. The most valuable Die Pair 2 will always have a strong reverse so your friend's thinking is wrong.

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Does anyone know where I can find the # of coins produced after the reverse die broke and they replaced it with the stronger reverse?

The number of coins minted from each die pair is unknown. Die Pair 2 is by far the most valuable and desirable but I have read anecdotally that the No-D Die Pair 3 is the rarest die pairing. This is weakly supported by my observations of completed ebay sales where the number of TPG certified Die Pair 2s outnumber the sales of Die Pair 3s.
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I do not have this error or variety however one looks at it, but I would grade it an XF-40 w/weak reverse. I try and use PCGS grading standards when I grade a small cent. I also believe it is not a die 2. I only use PCGS for grading and slabbing my coins, but am not familiar with how they would have handled a mistake like this. I will have to look it up.
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Here's an update for those who might be interested.

I called ANACS and asked to speak to someone who could provide details about this coin. The person looked up the 2010 information and said that two qualified persons evaluated the variety independently and both came up with the No D Die 2 variety description that appears on the slab. In examining the notes there were no questions or issues to discuss.

He offered a free re-evaluation (which cost me $40 in shipping and insurance). He said that the probability that they made a mistake was very unlikely. I asked the obvious question - OK, if you determine that it's not die set 2 and is worth far less is there compensation? He said that they would compensate me for the difference.

So, I sent the coin on a journey and here it is -

Gulp!
I have tried to call him a couple of times about compensation but he's not available and may be able to call me some time next week.

Is it a bad sign that they inserted a coupon for a free coin grading and said - sorry about that?


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Is it a bad sign that they inserted a coupon for a free coin grading and said - sorry about that?

I think you got your "compensation", one free grading worth about $10. Like I said before their guarantee does not cover attributions or varieties. If you are able to get more than the free grading out of them you will be very lucky. Isn't it great we have the TPG's to protect us. What have you got now, nearly $100 sunk into this albatross? Sorry if I sound cruel, I don't mean to be, but I remember back when slabbing was palmed off on us they claimed it was to protect us and help keep us from losing money or being ripped off.
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OUCH, that thing just went from being a ~$2000 coin to being a ~$200 coin
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Ouch is an understatement.


There is a down side to honesty sometimes

Even though it was authenticated as die set 2 I'd feel guilty passing it along to someone. It was obvious that the value had nowhere to go but down.

Maybe I can turn this into a lesson about honesty to my grandchildren. If my Dad were alive he'd give me one of those three stooges slaps in the forehead.
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I agree that it is painful for a coin to suddenly drop in value. It's obvious Anacs made a mistake when they initially graded the coin.

However, I don't see where full compensation is justified at this point. The coin is still in the hands of the original owner & has not been conveyed to another party who paid for the coin based on the attribution. The only loss is the perception of value & the cost to have the coin re-attributed. IMO Anacs should be on the hook for actual costs associated with the mistake. That entitles the owner to more than an Anacs gift certificate but not the difference between a Die 2 & Die 3 coin. Let me put it like this.....if you sent in an 1892-S Morgan dollar & it came back from the TPG in a slab marked 1893-S would you expect to be compensated for the price difference between the two?

A dishonest seller would have let the ebay auction run its course. There are plenty of buyers there who would have relied on Anacs attribution & paid market price for the slab. If/when they ever found out it was mis-attributed they would have been entitled to full compensation by Anacs.

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