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 Posted 05/25/2012  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be worthy to point out that OP is from Canada. :)

Don't know the laws in the US, but my experience is that buying from my LCS, they require ID, unless it's under $200. Not sure why.

As for selling, it is not taxable as long as your total sell amount is under $1000. I'll have to find it on the CRA site. It goes under capital gains.

Here's a thread over at the kitco forums: https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t=99373
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 Posted 05/25/2012  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it Just me or can I not find an edit post button?


Just wanted to add this.. it pretty much summarizes everything said in my link:


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Personal-use property
When you dispose of personal-use property, you may have
a capital gain or loss. To calculate this gain or loss, follow
these rules:
â-  If the adjusted cost base (ACB) of the property is less
than $1,000, its ACB is considered to be $1,000.
â-  If the proceeds of disposition are less than $1,000, the
proceeds of disposition are considered to be $1,000.
â-  If both the ACB and the proceeds of disposition
are $1,000 or less, you do not have a capital gain or a
capital loss. Do not report the sale on Schedule 3 when
you file your income tax and benefit return."

When you dispose of personal-use property that has an
ACB or proceeds of disposition of more than $1,000, you
may have a capital gain or loss.

Adjusted cost base (ACB) -- usually the cost of a property
plus any expenses to acquire it, such as commissions and
legal fees.
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Based on this wonderful discovery, I would advise Canadians to purchase only bullion that you expect to be saleable for less than 1000$/unit in order to avoid any capital gains on your bullion.

Given my long-term price targets of $6000/oz for gold and $300/oz for silver, that would mean 5 gram bars of gold (or smaller), and 3-oz bars of silver (or smaller).

Since the capital gains tax in Canada is based on 50% of the gain, taxed at your personal marginal tax rate (for the average person, around 30-35%), a typical capital gains tax on bullion would be about 15-18%. The tax loss of 15-18% upon sale of a 100oz bar of silver (which would be bought and sold for considerably more than more than $1000) outweighs any savings in terms of the lower premium over a 1oz round.

Therefore, this analysis suggest that Canadians should only be buying 1 oz silver, 1/10 oz fractional gold coins, or 5gr gold coins to maximize their eventual gains.
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 Posted 05/25/2012  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Might be worthy to point out that OP is from Canada. :)


An important distinction to make when talking about local laws and tax regs.

I think we're also mixing sales tax issues with questions regarding capital gains for income tax.

Here in the US, federal law doesn't require ID or IRS notification for cash transactions under $10,000. However, some coin/bullion dealers may at their discretion require ID and IRS notification if they suspect illegal activity.
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 Posted 05/25/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Center Pin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Vinnycoin, great information for Canadians thanks!

Of course like most here selling the hoard it not something we want to consider. Of course this could change at any time.

Then there are local laws:

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Q: Does XXX report my sale or purchase of bullion to any government or financial agency?
A: Generally speaking ... no. All customer information is kept private in house and is not sold, leased or rented to any other person, company or agency. The information obtained is used only for the transaction at hand. However, if you are selling bullion to us in our Vancouver store, city bylaws do require that we obtain photo ID which shows your current address. This information is entered into a special Vancouver Police Department Anti-Theft website and is only used to search against goods reported stolen.
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 Posted 05/25/2012  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not a conspiracy theory type, I just think this is good common sense.

Is my tinfoil hat too tight or do you do the same?

Like most on here, I agree with this 100% and, no, your tinfoil hat is not only not too tight, it isn't even on! If one is going to possess actual physical PMs, one needs to have good security to protect them. Keeping quiet about what you own is THE best insurance you can have against those cretins who feel entitled to the things for which others have worked and they have not. I don't even tell the members of my own family, who do not need to know, about my PM hoard. I trust them but not anyone else who might overhear them talking about it. Only my wife, parents, and son know about my PMs and each of them has a GOOD reason to know.
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