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NCLT Coins Are Not Legal Tender, Including The $20 For $20

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 Posted 08/10/2016  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Redzapsid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A customer is required to pay tax with legal tender. Canadian tire money does not fit the bill.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All store coupons are taken off the end price after the taxes are calculated, soon another Canadian icon the CTC money will end as they are slowly forcing customers to their credit cards and even their own bank.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My understanding is that you CAN redeem them at the mint boutiques, but only towards other merchandise (ie pay for another coin with x/for/x)... But, Not for cash.


That's my understanding as well, although I think it was someone who posted on this thread mentioned there as a limit on how much XforX can be exchanged for other NCLT at one time.

Even if the Mint store didn't hand out cash for pure redemptions, considering RCM is unlikley to be paid by cash when they initially sell XforX, I'd expect most people would be satisfied if they were repaid by direct deposit. What this suggests to me is that RCM intentionally wants redemption to be somewhat difficult, considering XforX is sold as non-circulation collector coins, as opposed to circulation coin.
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A customer is required to pay tax with legal tender.


The risk you face is that you could be limited to gradually paying whatever tax bill you incurred by no more than one XforX per day, in accordance to stipulations for payments made by $10+ legal tender coinage under the Cdn Currency Act, so what point would you be proving?
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....soon another Canadian icon the CTC money will end as they are slowly forcing customers to their credit cards and even their own bank.



Many charitable initiatives have also benefited by donated CT dollars, so yes it is too bad it's on it's way out. I'm aware of their plastic collector points card, but I wasn't aware that CT has a credit card or bank.
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WildflowerAB,
I was referring to sales tax.
There's are several loyalty cards with Canadian tire. MasterCard is one.

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I think they ( RCM) limit redemptions at the mint stores to one coin per visit. I don't remember where I read it, or I'd provide a link, but I think it was on their website.

EDIT - whoops I guess I should have finished reading the thread before speaking up, I seem to be an echo with this post.... sorry!
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WildflowerAB,
What does it prove? Even if it takes using one coin at a time, as the law states, it proves that NCLT are in fact legal tender. Know the rules, and play by them, and these coins can be cashed in.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It proves that NCLT are in fact legal tender.


Had it not been proven, I suppose the acronym "NCLT" would need to be amended to NCIT?

(Non-Circulating Illegal Tender)
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NCIL? That will never happen. They are legal tender. That is a fact. Plain and simple. It's getting a little silly that there's even a debate. Over $8 million dollars worth of $x for $x have already been cashed in. The bottom line is, if it's from the RCM and has a value in Canadian dollars or cents, it is legal tender. If you want to believe or do believe they are not, that's up to you. But I suppose that I could be wrong, the mint could be wrong, the banks could be wrong, the countless people that cashed them in could be wrong, and laws of this great nation could be wrong, and the government of Canada could be wrong. Or perhaps it's just the notion that these are somehow not legal tender that is 100%, totally, without a shadow of a doubt wrong. I'm betting a $20 legal tender silver coin that it's the latter.
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 Posted 08/10/2016  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe this personal "debate" has run its course? Can we agree to move on before it takes a wrong turn?


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Seriously. It has been beaten to a pulp.
I have to unsubscribe from this topic.
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The bottom line is, if it's from the RCM and has a value in Canadian dollars or cents, it is legal tender.


Correct. Canada Customs does not charge taxes when importing legal tender coins.

Customs officers often make the mistake, but eventually it gets straightened out because this is the law.

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With my previous posts, I was hoping to educate newcomers to the hobby with facts, and personal experience regarding $x for $x coins. Although it is a fantastic entry level series for new collectors, I'm not buying them anymore.
By people giving them as gifts, these coins seek out potential new customers.
When things in life become more valuable than things in small boxes, and when money gets tight, coins get sold. I spent years and big bucks creating the artistic display that was my coin collection.
I attempted to free up some of what I had invested in coins to pay for "life" and found, as I'm sure many others have, it's very difficult to sell your collection of recent NCLT and make what you put in to it back, let alone a profit. As many others do when push comes to shove, I took a loss.
Having faithfully collected every $x for $x coin up to 2016 for my own collection, I stumbled upon this thread. I resorted to these coins, taking them from coin shop to coin shop. No one wanted them even for face value. I was worried that I would again have to take a huge loss, since most places were offering melt or slightly above, stating banks don't have to take them so they're worth the weight.
Hearing about these coins on the news, I was really getting worried. Reading about these coins here was starting to stress me out. So it seemed, I had paid $20 for $5 of silver and had to explain to those depending on me that we weren't out of the woods just yet. I did what no coin collector should ever do. I took them to the bank, eventually to be melted.
I was relieved to learn that they took them with no real issues, just like the RCM said.
The reality is that these probably are the very best investment in terms of NCLT coins. In fact, the only true investment. The entire series, including each and every one, returned 100% of what I put in. It's certainly possible that if I searched longer, or if the price of silver skyrockets, I could have even made a few bucks.
The point is, these coins are risk free, as the mint has stated. And for that, I'm thankful.
Live and learn. As far as coins go, my collection that will be passed on to future generations will likely be the exact same one that was passed down to me. It's worth around $20-$30 with nothing special, just some older coins that an old man once told me about many years ago.
My intentions are not to annoy. To those that have heard enough from me, with all due respect, feel free to skip over my posts.
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If NCLT is not LT, then these numismatic objects are not coins.
In the practical sense, they are not even money of any sort.
Probably partly explains why they often have poor investment performance in the numismatic aftermarket.

They are better termed "medallions"; they certainly have a numismatic medallic artwork quality about them, sometimes to a very high standard.
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