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 Posted 02/11/2014  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well firstly silly me, with that 2011 date it's unlikely to come from the electroplating factory I cited above!

Yes I did see that nltimes article, with that kind of investment I would darn well expect a better quality result than your £2 fake, not merely re the join, and no disrespect! Which is also a good clue as to which £1 series they did make.

Anyway, you left me pondering for some time what £1 fakes might have been made by the new fake £2 maker.

Silly me again, now I see someone has taken a coarse comb and brylcreem to the Queen's hair.

That I have only seen on (some of) the 2008-dated £1 'series' and one or two others apparently by the same makers, which have 'bloated' font and queen's portrait (deliberate over-exposure in reproduction process?) and a distinctly dull lacklustre brass (at least those I've found).

Riddle solved?!? I see you displayed such a £1 on p4 of this thread, does it seem to have the same brass as that as the new £2 fake?

Those "2008" £1 also seem to be the most recent-dated fake £1 to have surfaced - know of any others?

Clearly I need to get to these 99p shops more, and get change off notes every time (having first of all got out past the front door!)
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 Posted 02/11/2014  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ andyg

Interesting pictures and analysis !

@ Moralclimate

I have found that garages are also a good place to get fake pound coins in change
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 Posted 02/12/2014  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The £2 must have been struck with new dies as the details are not quite correct, much as the pound coins which say "Copy" on them. The brass is a similar colour to these.

Usually the fakes are stuck from dies which have been copied from genuine coins, so the details are somewhat "mushy".

For the copied die coins the newest date I've seen is 2007,
for the new die coins is 2008.

This below fake is an oddity as it's an earlier design but with new dies. Received by me in change last September time. I presume it's one of the bloated font coins?

Fake-£1
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 Posted 02/12/2014  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
andyg, absolutely that is from the 'bloated features' series. The same obverse with 'disgusted' queen 1997 appears on http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/FAKES/F9.jpg right? Other examples from this series on http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/POUNDS.HTML are A10 and G6-G9. (Btw, @RED that's a fantastic gallery!) I have had F9, and another in this series with the same original edge inscription, which I see also on G6 and G7. My F9 was very soapy in 2 places on the obverse, is your variant also soapy in places as it looks?

I had assumed that this series' dies had been 'over-exposed' and then doctored to re-infuse detail. Looking again, it does appear a professionally-equipped fine artist produced fresh reliefs i.e. for 'new' dies, first using pantography to create a skeleton of the features to flesh out. There is a lot of finely re-created or re-composed detail on both sides of these, not just the brylcreemed hair. Perhaps the obverse image with "COPY" by the Queen's neck was the first to be made, when the artist was most wary and wanted to cover him/herself?
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 Posted 02/19/2014  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, another £2 with 'pinkish middle' here: https://goccf.com/t/165692, quite smart looking, also a reported difference in queen's portrait. Still a little surprising they would go to such lengths but not ensure the middles were silver/grey somehow.
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 Posted 02/19/2014  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Suggests there is too much copper content in the copper-nickel mix?
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 Posted 02/19/2014  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is, if this lot use(d) nickel alloys at all. The lacklustre brass does look like a binary brass. Maybe they didn't procure nickel or nickel alloys to avoid attracting suspicion, but that gave them a dilemma when it came to making £2 coins.
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 Posted 02/20/2014  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what do you guys do with fake pounds - collect them (with so many more date/design combinations than real ones), destroy them, report them...? Have you ever knowingly let one go by because you couldn't afford to keep it out of circulation?
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 Posted 02/20/2014  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nalaberong, fake pound coins are the new black ! ... they are fascinating because some are truly great pieces of forgery while others demonstrate the sheer laziness of the forgers . If banks find them in CWR they are sent to the mint for destruction....

despite what you might read here fake pound coins are now quite rare to get in change these days , I go through a lot of pound coins and over the past 7 months I can count with one hand the number of fakes I have received in change hence I would keep one if I got one for curiosity and educational purposes , have I ever knowingly passed one on ? Now that is an interesting question
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 Posted 02/21/2014  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electric Daveyland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have 3 fake pound coins - all from the bridge series. More may have passed me by but I pay a lot more attention nowadays! I have picked up 2 in change in the last month.
I'll probably keep them as they are different
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 Posted 02/21/2014  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting ! I also have 3 bridge series fakes The only one I am missing is the Egyptian arch bridge fake
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 Posted 02/21/2014  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ahem! There are 4 large-scale fake bridge series each by a different gang.
Plus the 'new dies' gang discussed above had more than one distinct obverse and edge pattern they might use per bridge design
Plus a large-scale Menai Bridge/2004 mule was reported by Andy-Willings way back when, p.s. this may be it: http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/FAKES/B2.jpg
Plus some smaller scale mules out there
Plus more permutations as die-axis error can vary.
DaytR, if you can change your settings to accept messages, we can carry on this discussion off-line.
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 Posted 02/21/2014  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting stuff about the varieties ..... I have changed my settings
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 Posted 02/22/2014  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was shown an oddity by the dealer some years ago - one made from an overstruck Turkish 10 BIN Lira.... never found one myself.

The coins I cull (apart from a few interesting ones) all go to someone the dealer knows that collects them....

These two fakes (both found this week) appear the same at first glance - but are quite different...

Fake-£1
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 Posted 02/22/2014  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Overstruck counterfeits? I wonder if any are struck over Icelandic 50kr or Swazi lilangenis... now that would be an awesome piece of fakery

I think I have seen just one fake pound coin here... but I didn't get my hands on it. However, I did get to see a counterfeit $1 coin being sold at a flea market for $60 as a rare contemporary counterfeit... :I
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