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Here's another of those "estate coins" that of highly questionable authenticity - supposedly a 1652 Pine Tree Shilling! http://www.ebay.com/itm/18094588526...t_721wt_1074Of course, there's no return! to the seller's credit though, he did mention that one ebayer said "this coin looks like a reproduction from the 1950/1960 era." If genuine, IMHO, this coin should be conserved and certified before being sold. The only reason that I can imagine a seller would not pay a nominal fee to have this item authenticated is that they suspect it's a replica. Any one else have a thought? |
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So what recourse would a buyer who had already bid on it before the edit was made have if they ended up winning and decided they no longer wanted it?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would imagine they could contact ebay who could see when the bid was made and when the edit was made if the seller was unwilling to let the buyer out of the sale But yea red flags everywhere on that. That old of a coin and valuable unslabbed, no thanks |
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It looks like it is made of lead or pewter from the gray areas exposed on the edge. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Come on, there must be enough collective wisdom on this site to make a decent call as to authenticity on this piece without copping out to a TPG! |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I've seen a lot of fakes of these things and I have to admit that the pictures of this item are not setting off a lot of alarm bells with me. I think there is a moderate chance of this coin being real. if I could see it in hand I might have a different conclusion but at that price it could be worth the gamble.
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United States
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I am brand new to forum. I have been collecting for years (1965) just about anything US coin related, and gamble much of the time. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I get burned. I simply move on and learn as I go. I am the one who purchased this coin in question yesterday evening. When received, I will submit to PCGS for authentication and will post results to all. Thanks for reading my post. Keith
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Hi Keith ... Welcome aboard and thanks for chiming in! Although skeptical of this piece, I'm rooting for you and sure hope that you've struck "silver" on this one!
The environmental damage, excessive as it is on this piece, raises red flags for me. The evenness of strike is another concern that I have. Finally, the jagged and sharp edges on this alleged silver coin are more what I'd expect to see on a pot metal piece. I do realize that these early Mass. pieces were often clipped for their silver.
If this piece does turn out to be genuine, you might consider utilizing a conservation service. If the blackened area is remnants of an old lacquer, as some 19th century collectors were inclined to use, that can probably be removed without damage to the coin. I once had that done with an exceedingly rare large cent.
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It looks like junk to me.
One of those souvenir coins sold at Knott's Berry Farm that had a rough life.
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Historyfan Keith-
Welcome, and please give us what information you can before the coin goes off to the slabbers! Weight, diameter, and especially, fresh pics!
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complete and utter junk I seen a real one and its not even close to the quality of an original
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United States
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Soon after receiving this coin, will provide pictures, size and weight before submitting.
Thanks for the welcome!
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Welcome, and I hope its real!
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United States
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Looks to me it could go either way.. Hoping for good news! Here's my Noe-1 example dug from salt mud, with late stage die crack around date. Got a Noe-3 Oak Shilling from same site :) Happy Colonial Hunting Everyone!!   |
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Welcome to the CCF, steelheadwill! That's a super find. Many of the worn, dug and damaged colonial pieces look like "junk" to various collectors. I find that to be especially true to those who buy all the modern, slabbed proofs, eagles and such. Yet, to those of us who cherish the history of our coinage, finds such as yours are truly a treasure.
Personally, like the subject coin in this thread, I'd be reluctant to buy a find such as yours unless it was certified. I'm not fond of slabs, and the majority of my colonials, coppers and such, are not slabbed. Your find is a one-in-a-million shot. Congrats!
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Thanks ExoGuy, I've always been a collector, but when I started detecting, my interest and desire for knowledge regarding our Colonial History really blossomed. I agree that being able to hold an early 'Junk' artifact in the hand is far more satisfying than something in a thick plastic case. I've had none of my 'significant' finds slabbed, since I don't plan on selling any of them, there is no point in doing so. I've seen a couple late stage Noe-1's with this die crack, Stacks, or maybe Heritage has them in their archives, but this one is the most advanced I've seen. I call it 'The Fish'  I have a few more oldies I will post when I can. If you'd like to look at some of my stuff, most goodies are on my website (noncommercial) Graphic rich, it's a slow loader.... www.yougofishing.com stop by and take a look  Nice hearing from you! Best Wishes, Herbie. |
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