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Yet Another Uncleaned Batch, Need Some Serious Help Here!

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 Posted 08/17/2012  12:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello!

Yes, Its another batch of uncleaned coins. This came the day that I left for holiday, so I had to frantically get them soaking in oil (after a rushed scrub and a photo shoot).

This set has got some real nasty junks in it, cant get anything from a lot of them, but I do like it because I have such variety in them. I believe 6 coins can be identified fully and another coin can at least have the reverse made out. There are 10 coins plus a bonus earlier coin.

Before pictures:
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First thoughts after I got back and had a better look at them (more pictures to come later of them as they are now):
The earlier one is S C with an eagle, but crucially, I believe some letters can be gleaned.
At least one barbaric.
Lots of letters in fields to find out about.
Another gold coloured one, this time horribly pocked and with splotches of red covering, only the letters BOY visible.


So, seen anything nice? Do some of them have bronze disease? Anything stand out as odd?

Thanks.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Looks like a cool lot......one on the left looks like the Queen...
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 Posted 08/17/2012  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew somebody would make that joke!

Its time to get pictures of every coin up (oh boy oh boy) and start Identifying them. No hopers will be put into a seperate section for more... destructive, cleaning. A couple can be salvaged, I'm sure.

First off, the oldest in the batch:

COIN 1:
S C with eagle below. 19mm. Early Empire style bust.
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That ones going into the favourites pile..

COIN 2:
Gloria Exercitvs, Thessalonica, will find the emperor in a second, but the bust has a massive gap in it which has taken some of the very important letters with it. 17mm.
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COIN 3:
Victory walking reverse, very attractive shiny patina, one of the constantines. Constantinopolis mint. 17mm.
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COIN 4:
Constantinopolis mint, cant make out the reverse, hoping its going to be a FEL TEMP fallen horseman, I dont have one yet and I'm itching to get one. 18mm. Funky letter left of bust.
<Picture has screwed itself up, so Ill retake it after I post>

COIN 5:
Votive issue, very nice, came worn down to metal without dirt, quite suspect, but a lovely coin. Something SIVS - I'm hoping theo. VOT X MMLT X X in wreath. 14mm.
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<another of the screwed photos>

COIN 6:
A late empire bust, bad bronze disease. Emperor dragging captive. I reckon Cyzicus. 17mm.
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COIN 7:
One side is nice, the other is completely mashed up. 16mm. Victory, probably. N to the left, M R to the right.
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COIN 8:
Another chewed up one, can be identified I bet. reverse is one I dont know about. Cross in field to the right. 17mm.
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JUNK COINS:
JC1: Billon coloured pock marked horrid thing, ill only give one side, you dont need two sides, theres nothing there:
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JC2: Big old coin, worn down to a lovely smooth finish, but alas, not IDable. 26mm at widest. See top pictures, there is no difference.
JC3: Bronze disease has killed this one. I think its victory. well preserved beneath the BD, so I may try burning it off in citrus acid.


Thats all folks, Input welcome, ill be working through them myself to try and get a few IDs out of the batch.



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 Posted 08/17/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First ID is here!

Theodosius Votive issue, RIC IX Nicomedia 38B. Pearl Diademed bust right, VOT X MVLT XX in wreath. Supposedly Nicomedia, but I cant read more than SM and this is the only issue with SM on Wildwinds.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
your number 2 may be constans..I think the letter are FLIVLCONSTANSNOBC, not sure if that matches with that mint or not though?

some interesting stuff in there. 3 looks cool also!



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 Posted 08/18/2012  05:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help Chrsmat, your help has IDed this coin! That being said, the really major letters for this are gone, but I can read FL IVL CONSTANT-IN NOB C. I suppose I should try and see what it could be. For the moment, every time I search anything, it comes back to RIC VII Thess 200, so ill assume I'm misreading it and assume it is that.

Coin 2 is Constanius II, GLORIA EXERCITVS on reverse, FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C on obverse. Matches with RIC VII 200. 331-4 ACE. Mint mark is SMTS for Thessalonica.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if your coin #1 is a Diadumenian:

Antioch SGI 3017v AE19. Antioch, Syria. 217-218 AD. KAI M O DI ANTWNINOC CE, radiate head right / SC within wreath, D above, eagle below. SGI 3017 var.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/diad...GI_3017v.jpg
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JWHarper, it isn't a radiate. I have a fake Caesar and that other coin from Pergamon (excuse my spelling) and the bust certainly matches up to 100ACE. I'm going to go ahead and clean up the bust a bit - I'm not doing any more cleaning to the reverse, I feel that I've lost detail by moving dirt from the SC.

I finally took a picture, and after some more cleaning, I am confident that it is a fel temp! Its struck on a smaller flan than the die was made for. I believe it is a barbaric issue.

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I cannot tell from the image if it is radiate or not, but if not it could be: Diadumenian AE18, Antioch MacAlee 755; Antioch, Syria. 217-218 AD. KAI O DIA ANTWNINOC, bare head right / Large SC within wreath, wreath over delta-epsilon above, eagle below.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/diad...Alee_755.jpg

Also, the Fel Temp image is not barbaric in my opinion, but it is on a small flan. The mintmark is "CONSGAMMA" (Constantinople). It also looks like there is a letter in the reverse left field, but I cannot make it out.
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JWHarper, the bust doesn't quite match up - its just the neck, it doesn't flay at the bottom (well, no flay has survived).

As for the fel temp, you are right, there is a T in the reverse field, dont know what that means, and a symbol left of the bust I would like to pin down. Checking wildwinds for the T in field design.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ben,

I don't believe your FEL TEMP is barbaric but I may wrong

Clearly though, I am pretty sure it is Constantius Gallus.

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Kurt, I am going to take your word for that! I know its a Constantine, and I dont have a Con Gall yet, so I'm quite happy at that!

However, I have yet to find a single example with a T in left field. Ill check Heveltica.

Just did, and no, none labelled with T in left. Delta behind bust matches up, but no T dot. Curious indeed. Could it be a different symbol?
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it looks like all the CONS gamma mintmark fel temps with a symbol behind the bust are either constantius ii or constantius gallus as bd said. based on where the "ON" hits there at hits there at 11 o'clock, I would also go with constantius gallus also.
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Ben,

The only possibility for your FEL TEMP is Constantius Gallus given the fact that the bust is bald style coupled with the fact that there is an obverse field mark.

I would say that your obverse field mark would likely be delta rather A. Sometimes the serif typeface makes the letters a bit confusing to the untrained eye (that would be me).

This makes your coin RIC 110 or 113 depending on the reverse field markings.

Here is an example from a different mint(Sirmium) with the delta obverse field mark. Note the the Serif style.
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Cheers,

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Coin 3 is actually Valentinian I.

OBV: D N VALENTINI-ANVS P F AVG
REV: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE

Cheerio mate,

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Kurt, good stuff! You were bang on with the RIC 110 thing, the T is a gamma and the II is a delta. Adding Gallus to the list of emperors now.

And thanks for the help on coin 3 - ill write that up too. First Secvritas.
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