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Bedrock of the Community
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Maybe its just be but even if the sunshine part was fake would that even matter if it was actually silver? Silver is what you were buying it for anyway not the lettering. The weights dont scream to me that they arent silver as they arent excessively heavy or light.
Personally I would try and make sure it wasnt silver before filing a claim.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It looks legit from here just as much as it looks fake. Really can't tell unless you take a picture with the outta the case so all in the same plane even then the properties of lenses you would have to be pretty far away to get near the same scale on each piece. Otherwise the distances would appear different even though they are the same. take them out the case take a picture of each on individually in the exact same spot with the camera on a tripod not moved between shots, this means using a cable release or remote shutter release no touching the button on the camera. In photoshop lay each image on top of each other then see how they line up using transparency controls.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have several bars and rounds I am sure are legit that can vary either way a few tenths of a gram. The only thing that is suspicious is the sound and smell and I'm guessing that you may have already had an opinion by the time you tried that. On the other hand I am always suspicious of any item sold in a non factory case.
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Pillar of the Community
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Sunshine bars are often off weight a smig either way. Until you do a test I would have to say I believe them to be real.
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 United States
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Okay, if I were a chinese manufacture of fake silver bars, I would ensure that all of my bars would be close to their stated weights for them to stay in the market and be circulated in the market more longer than they would if I didn't take these measures.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Okay, if I were a chinese manufacture of fake silver bars, I would ensure that all of my bars would be close to their stated weights for them to stay in the market and be circulated in the market more longer than they would if I didn't take these measures.
I dont follow what you are trying to say. If you manufactured fake bars you wouldnt care how long they are in the market, all you would care is that you made the initial sale. Metals have different weights and densities, you cant just throw any metal into the shape of the bar and have the proper weight without the size being way off. You cant say for sure one way or another without actually doing tests on the bar. Without testing them the weight suggests theres a better chance of them being real than being fake |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here is a pic of the Chinese fakes available for 55 cents. Note the position of the word "OUNCE" as compared with your pics. Take one to your local "We buy gold and silver" store. They will know if they're fake.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you manufactured fake bars you wouldnt care how long they are in the market, all you would care is that you made the initial sale. Actually, they would care about this because the longer fakes can go undetected, the more difficult it becomes to track them back to the original sellers and the easier it is for the scam artists to deny any association with those particular bars. Time can be thought of as a form of distance and no thief wants to be nabbed in close proximity to their crime. As to these bars being fake, that seems a stretch given the info presented here. If the bars are carefully weighed and measured, you can calculate the density. It should be 10.49 grams/cc if this is a silver bar. The fact that it is not magnetic is good but neither is copper. While copper is lower in density than silver, it is similar in density to silver. Much closer than zinc, for example. |
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United States
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Measure the dimensions of the bar. If it's not Solid silver it can't be the exact size of the legit bar.
Chinese Fakes are flooding into the States as we speak, and it even includes the Legal Tender stuff like Eagles and Maples. Buying from top-notch sources is going to be key if it wasn't already.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Actually, they would care about this because the longer fakes can go undetected, the more difficult it becomes to track them back to the original sellers and the easier it is for the scam artists to deny any association with those particular bars. Time can be thought of as a form of distance and no thief wants to be nabbed in close proximity to their crime. Thats true depending on the country youre making them in. In the US you would be concerned about that. If you were in China they dont really seem to care about fakes if youre selling over seas or they just arent very good at catching them. The country you are making them in plays a huge role for how concerned youd be getting caught |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you were in China they dont really seem to care about fakes if youre selling over seas or they just arent very good at catching them. Have to agree with this. The Chinese seem to have 2 rules about producing counterfeits: 1) don't cheat other Chinese - cheating all others is OK; and 2) if you want to not be bothered by the police, bribe the necessary officials in your area.  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Hoping my 15month old will get into coins one day, he's already got 15 oz put away for him in the form of silver eagles and silver proof sets (including ASE25).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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He probably will if you start him early with collecting coins of some type. I started early but then got away from it because no one else in my family was doing it and I had other interests that competed for my funds. Drat! If only I had kept at it and bought silver coins at face value back in the 1960s and then roll hunted in the 1970s.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The Chinese seem to have 2 rules about producing counterfeits: 1) don't cheat other Chinese - cheating all others is OK; and 2) if you want to not be bothered by the police, bribe the necessary officials in your area.
Unfortunately China really does operate by those laws right now. They will gladly take the added cash while defrauding other countries. Probably wont change anytime soon either |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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search on "ozcopper" and see more about these fake sunshine bars...among others. Sunshine minting is one of the most faked bars out there. Is best to educate yourselves than to convince yourself you are right without the facts first. After doing some research...i am about 100% possitive these bars are fakes.
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