How Does A NGC MS-69 Standing Liberty Quarter Not Have A Fh? - Page 3

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jmkendall Pillar of the Community United States 1590 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:02 pm "In earlier editions of this book, we noted that prevailing standards dictated that for a coin to be graded MS-65 (or Proof 65) or higher it must be an ABOVE average strike. This point has not been completely defind in the literature is not completely consistent in practice....for a few series a notation about strike might be added." Page 23. The Official American Numismatic Association Grading standards for United States coins. 6th Ed. Kenneth Bressett Ed. Whitman Publishing, LLC, Atlanta Ga. Copyright 2006 So I stand partially corrected. But it is obvious from a complete reading that Sharp strike is NOT the same as "full details". See also p. 348 where it states that FH does not equal FD. See also Bill Fivaz's comments contrasting "full details" vs "Sharp strike" on pp 34-36 of "Grading Coins by Photographs" by Q.David Bowers. Report this Post to the Staff
Drsandman2 Pillar of the Community United States 1374 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:22 pm Sharp strike seems to be a component of grading for many series. Cameos, ultra cameos, etc. are grades assigned to the first coins off the die, which imparts the strongest strike. For circulation coinage, DMPL for Morgans seems to me to be a type of "cameo" for business strikes. Merc dimes can be full-split bands, Jeffersons can have full steps, etc. I'm not familiar with the + and star grading additions, but I would suspect sharpness of strike are a component of those lofty designations. I wonder how many MS70's are floating around that were Struck Through Grease. Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:23 pm Quote: ...precludes MS69 as a grade for a non-FH coin. Seems like that would also take 68 and 67 out of the running too. If the strike isn't full I cant see how you could say its any better than a good strike or very good strike, but definitely not very well struck Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:24 pm ....and to reinforce your position as opposed to mine - to the extent we disagree, which ain't much - it's a known and stated point that individual TPG's use their own standards for grading. Based on ANA, yes, but their own all the same. So all I'm arguing here is a personal belief as to how these things ought to be, considering all the evidence we've both presented adds up to the proof that there isn't any One True Grading Scale. Report this Post to the Staff
mkman123 Pillar of the Community United States 3184 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:29 pm I've seen AU58 coins with a FH better than a MS coin Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 7:40 pm Quote: I've seen AU58 coins with a FH better than a MS coin Heck, there's a prime example right here: https://goccf.com/t/129726 Report this Post to the Staff
Gyrene7483 Pillar of the Community United States 1704 Posts	Posted 09/18/2012 11:07 pm Grading has always been subjective no matter what grading standards have been adopted, or more precisely, recommended for use in the coin industry. I have been told by many a professional coin dealer that a person could take one coin send it in to the same grading service and be examined by the same graders multiple times and get a different grade each time. This lack of consistency is why a lot of collectors don't have much faith in the TPGs. And then to throw salt into the wound here comes CAC to grade the graders. I myself won't buy a slabbed coin sight unseen as was the intent of having coins put into slabs in the first place. If I like the coin at the asking price I'll buy it, I am not buying a grade on a slip of paper sealed in plastic. By the way the toning on this 1919 SLQ is absolutely awesome IMHO and if I had the resources I would definitely add this coin to my collection. Ed ANA LM-3175 Report this Post to the Staff
jmkendall Pillar of the Community United States 1590 Posts	Posted 09/19/2012 5:41 pm Dave you are absolutely correct. No argument from me. Lol@Drsandman2....MS70 Struck Through Grease........ Report this Post to the Staff
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