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Criticism Of CCF On Another Forum

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 Posted 10/31/2012  05:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is what I said there;
"I have found CCF generally very good. I usually check twice a day and have sometimes been puzzled why quite good posts have just disappeared.
No problem with that as long as a message is substituted to advise what rule has been breached. I can't recall seeing that except where an "offending" member has made vigorous protests (in one recent case I think admin. probably did the right thing).
Criticism is not necessarily a negative thing but can be a constructive tool. If you have an anal outlook you might find that hard to conceive.
My outlook is to take the good with the bad; accept credit for the good (no false modesty) and analyze the bad for what can be learnt for the future (by all means defend yourself but first but first study and reflect on the criticism).
As soon as I have posted this I will post this to a new thread on CCF with the hope of promoting a good debate -no negative comments without sound arguments please.

Thanks,
Jeff"

Comments please but, please, argue your case, whatever your opinion.
Thanks,
Jeff
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 Posted 10/31/2012  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's generally considered very bad form to denigrate, or even unnecessarily mention too often, one forum on another forum. It's certainly bad form to drag personal disputes from one forum to another. We've had several members that have earned the right to be called "serial pest" because they steadfastly refused to abide by either of these principles. Which is a shame, because many of these serial pests have quite good knowledge of coins and numismatics, and would make excellent members on any coin forum if only they were less... sociopathic.

Not saying that any of the people so far participating in this thread or the thread on that other forum are like or have done anything like this. It's just a general comment on the subject.

For specific comment on the subject mentioned in the OP...

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...have sometimes been puzzled why quite good posts have just disappeared.
No problem with that as long as a message is substituted to advise what rule has been breached.

As a general rule, the mods here prefer to edit out minor breaches of the rules, rather than delete an entire post or an entire thread. Occasionally, an off-topic but nevertheless worthwhile comment will be split off into a new topic of its own and moved to a more appropriate part of the forum - it might look like its been deleted, but its really just been moved. However, deletion may be required if a serious rule breach has occurred or the post is of such a nature that it would only encourage other members to respond in kind. Making political comments, for example.

Finally, I should add that the admins and moderators are not rule-fixated cyborgs but normal fallible human beings. We can make mistakes and errors of judgement - such as deleting something that looked at first glance like spam, but was actually a necessary and important part of the discussion. If at any time anyone feels a post of theirs or one they were reading was improperly deleted, you can e-mail one of the admins or moderators and calmly and politely make your point. But I've found one thing to be universal, both on the Internet and in real life: an expletive-filled tirade will rarely get you the result you were seeking. I'm always amazed at how many people think such a tactic will work with the admins here.
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 Posted 10/31/2012  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I have this posted in my shop, to help people who don't understand simply things:
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If you have any problem and come in with a smile and explain your problem in a pleasant tone, we will do anything we possibly can to help and fix the problem.
If you come in and yell and scream, we will do nothing more than the minimum legally required, and we will do that as slowly as possible.
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10/31/2012 2:16 pm
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 Posted 10/31/2012  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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and have sometimes been puzzled why quite good posts have just disappeared.


I just read yesterday where someone made this complaint and an Admin responded, explaining to them in detail why some of their posts "disappeared".

Perhaps if they'd;
1. read the rules
and
2. read the Admin responses to their complaints,
they'd be less "puzzled".

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10/31/2012 7:03 pm
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 Posted 10/31/2012  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/31/2012  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Admin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No problem with that as long as a message is substituted to advise what rule has been breached.


Sorry but sometimes that is just not feasible. Look at the chart below and you will see that we average well over 1,000 posts per day. For a lot of forums that a stretch in a month. We get a visit from a search engine on average every 3.5 seconds. This place is busy. We run this place with just a handful of volunteer moderators and most of the time don't have time to notify the poster of reasons for removal.

It's not our responsibility to educate members every time there is a violation of the rules. The rules are there for everyone to read, and you agreed to them when you registered. Members should be able to read the rules and figure out rather easily what they did. If not, the email received when the topic is "removed from public display" clearly states that it can be replied to. We're not going to clutter up the forum with "removal reasons" in place of topic titles like other forum software does.

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 Posted 11/01/2012  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are other forums?

I have heard a rumour to that effect.
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 Posted 11/01/2012  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just a rumor, not true. Pay no attention to it.
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