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Possibly The Ugliest 1913-S Type 2 Buffalo You Will Ever See.

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 Posted 11/21/2012  9:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This one, like most of my collection, was found in a roll. Even with Nic-a-date the date is very difficult to read, but I THINK that I can see the distinctive shape of a 3 there. The mintmark is just a bit easier to spot. Had to nic-a-date that too.

What do you guys think?

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 Posted 11/23/2012  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty good possibility it's a '13-s but yeah it's pretty far gone.
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 Posted 11/23/2012  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GreatWalrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nic-a-date pretty much makes it worthless anyway.
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I'm going out on a limb here, but....I'm actually seeing the 1918/7-D overdate. If you look hard at what you think is the upper right corner of the 3, I think you'll see that it's just too...thick, and that the descending stem is a bit of a loop, whereas it should be a straight line. Also, I see a D on the reverse where you're seeing an S.

I wish I had the skills to insert arrows and lines, etc, into these photos so that I could make you see what I think I'm seeing. My suggestion? Give it a second treatment of Nic-a-date on both date and the mint mark areas. Don't be afraid to leave it on for 30-45 seconds, then post some new photos. Question: Is the reverse slighly rotated compared to the obverse?
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weerdsteev handles about 9000 bottom-grade Buffalo nickels per year. Pay attention!
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nic-a-date pretty much makes it worthless anyway.


Maybe personally but I once sold a 1918/7-D nic-a-date for over $300 once. Would have been worth very little otherwise, monetarily speaking.
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That is ugly.

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I'm going out on a limb here, but....I'm actually seeing the 1918/7-D overdate. If you look hard at what you think is the upper right corner of the 3, I think you'll see that it's just too...thick, and that the descending stem is a bit of a loop, whereas it should be a straight line. Also, I see a D on the reverse where you're seeing an S.

I wish I had the skills to insert arrows and lines, etc, into these photos so that I could make you see what I think I'm seeing. My suggestion? Give it a second treatment of Nic-a-date on both date and the mint mark areas. Don't be afraid to leave it on for 30-45 seconds, then post some new photos. Question: Is the reverse slighly rotated compared to the obverse?


I'll take your advice seeing as you're an expert on this stuff. I'm not sure what another application of nic-a-date will do since I've already had to apply it twice to get it to where it is now, but I guess another can't hurt anything. And yes, it does seem that the reverse is a bit rotated on this one, but only very slightly. it can't be any more than 15 degrees.

I'll put some new photos up after a while. Thank you for looking!

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Unfortunately, it seems that an additional application of nic-a-date has only succeeded in making the date and MM yet more indistinguishable. I think this is because it already had this sort of "rusty" corrosion that had eaten the metal away, and when it hit the acid again it ate away any semblance of the original surfaces that the corrosion had retained.

I can post the pictures, but you wouldn't be abe to tell anything from them.
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That shouldn't happen. If you'd like, I'd be willing to take a shot at restoring it for you, at no charge. The only caveat is that I have to treat the whole coin. I've got something that works on the corrosion and something else to bring up the details. It'll still be an ugly coin, but I'll bet it's legible when I'm done with it. PM me if you're interested.
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 Posted 11/27/2012  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not pretty but even an ugly coin needs a loving home.

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 Posted 12/06/2012  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it's still not pretty but at least now we know for sure what it is. The OP sent it to me and I worked on it a bit and I'm embarrassed to say I was only half right. It was a D mint but it was NOT an overdate. It's a 1913-D T2.

I'll be mailing it back to the OP tomorrow.

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WOW!!! Are you kidding me? Is that really the same coin from the OP? That is amazing work. I had bought a bunch of complete Buffalo nickel sets with "restored" coins, and they never looked like yours.
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weerdsteev, that has got to be the best recovery I've ever seen. Simply amazing that you could bring it out that much after having been nic-a-dated twice.
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It's the same coin. There are at least two "landmarks" that survived my treatment: The nick in the long feather and a dark gouge just above and behind the hoof of the left foreleg. When the OP receives the coin in the mail next week he can chime in with HIS opinion, but the coin looks better in hand than in these photos. Still, it really doesn't have much appeal. I sell a lot of restored nickels and, generally speaking, I don't usually attempt to sell one that looks like this unless it's a 13-S T2 or an overdate.
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Great job steev. Unbelievable difference.
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