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 Posted 12/27/2012  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have used SGOL as an alternative to GLD because of the Swiss connection but it is probably a distinction without a difference.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just wondering what PM EFT company you use?

My brokerage for paper PM investments is Scottrade. The ETFs themselves are PPLT, SGOL, and SIVR. All of these are 100% independently audited and have a 1:1 ratio of metal in their vaults to the number of shares outstanding. This is like the Sprott funds. I am not saying that one can sell shares and get metal for them. All of these trade and settle in US dollars, UNLESS one owns a LOT of shares. Then, depending on how the prospectus is worded, it is sometimes possible to receive metal in exchange for shares. Typically, this requires 100,000 shares or more. Yep, the BIG boys almost always have rules that are different from what the rest of us have.

Still, there are times when a paper PM is better than no PM at all. If we believe in PMs and their ability to significantly rise in price, then having some money in a PM ETF could make sense. This is also true in IRAs, where it can be difficult to own PMs unless it is an ETF or a PM mining company stock.

The bottom line is that paper PMs will share in any PM price rise, so if, for example, the price of silver were to double from $32 to $64 an oz. a silver ETF would reflect that price rise, also by doubling. If so, then it also might be possible to sell those ETF shares for a decent profit and buy physical PMs with those profits. Been there and done that. It worked pretty well too.

One must keep taxes in mind when doing this sort of thing, however. In my case, this is not an issue because almost all of my PM ETFs are in a Roth IRA and I am older than age 59.5, so no tax is due on any money made from PMs in that account.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am active all across the board in all commods and equities. I am not a day trader nor am I an investor per se. I am a trend following speculator.

I do have two long term holdings I have had for a long time. Biggest holdings are GLD since the funds inception and the last time I bought shares was a week before Obama was made president and the other is XOM. Haven't put anything else into the market in ages on the investing side except those two names and just cash in most cases, patiently waiting for a set up to sell short or buy.

Besides buying, I sell, as in sell short. Some of the names I trade are SLV, GLD, AGQ, UGL, PPLT and PALL.

BTW PALL is looking the strongest of the PMs and wanting to test yearly highs next year. should be interesting.

PS- for you folks interested in the metals-

JJC
JJN
LD
JJT
JJU
JJM

please note several of these have very low liquidity.
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I'm thinking about selling half of my GLD and buying PPLT because platinum seems to be out performing gold now.
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I'm thinking about selling half of my GLD and buying PPLT because platinum seems to be out performing gold now.


I bought some shares of PPLT when platinum metal dropped to $1400 an oz. Yes, it is doing pretty well these days.

Another option would be PALL. Palladium is just as rare as platinum and comes from processing the same ore but costs less than half as much as Pt. There seems to be significant room for Pd to rise in price. Both of these metals have a substantial use in the chemical, petroleum refining, and waste treatment industries, so buying them is a bet on an improving economy. Silver is similar in this regard while gold is not since the bulk of gold is used in jewelry and gold investments, such as coins and bars.

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