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1831 Bustie For Your Grading Pleasure

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 Posted 04/14/2007  7:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Opinions? Attribution, maybe? I've yet to cough up the money for the book.

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 Posted 04/14/2007  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim M. to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like an easy XF-45 with a good, strong clasp. Nice coin, and also one of my favorite series. ~Jim
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 Posted 04/14/2007  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Guess is XF40. On the obverse the hair curls are a bit flat. The clasp is strong which indicates a good strike. On the reverse the letters in "E Puribus Unum" are weakly struck, typical for the series and not a good indicator of grade. At XF45-AU the wear on the wing tips and leading edges(especially the left wing) should be negligible. All in all a beautiful Bustie and right in the grade range I love for the series.

At one time I owned well over 80 of these beauties and have just recently begun to re-build my collection. I am back up to 4!!! Thanks, Mike P.S I will try and dig out my Overton's and try to give you an attribution number. I have yet to unpack all my books since I moveD!!
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 Posted 04/14/2007  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin, O-109, R.1. It actually looks a lot like the one in Overton. I can't really judge whether it's cleaned or not--what do you think? In the old days it would have been a solid VF-35, but now it's XF-40, and maybe as others have suggested as high as 45. We may disagree on the details, but I have no doubt we can all agree it's SGS MS-67 .

Thanks for posting it!
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 Posted 04/14/2007  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I lean towards cleaned, as I hold it in my hand, but not harshly in any sense. No major hairlines, comfortable toning, but a little too bright. I like this coin, and I'm going to keep it.
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 Posted 04/15/2007  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't blame you; I think it's stunning. I especially like the center struck details. Don't forget to check the edge to see if there is anything interesting going on with "FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR"
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Hi Dave. I must admit that an "old cleaning" crossed my mind. I always say and firmly believe that most old silver and gold for that matter has been cleaned at some point whether by intent or accident. A "dip" in the river, left in a pants pocket while laundering, dropped in a yard or field and rained on or someone gently wiping off some grime. As I stated in my post, I love the coin and the grade range it seems to fall in. I think the re-toning is looking good as well. They are beautiful as circulated coins and I would hang onto it as well! Mike
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 Posted 04/15/2007  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Don't forget to check the edge to see if there is anything interesting going on with "FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR"


On this particular coin, CENTS runs directly into HALF, and OR is completely missing.

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<<On this particular coin, CENTS runs directly into HALF, and OR is completely missing.>>

That would make it an E39 edge according to Overton--described as FIFTY CENTSHALF A DOLLAR.

For what it's worth...
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Is it a problem that the first part of "e pluribus unum" is missing in the photo or is that the light -apart from that it looks nice... XF?
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These coins are notorious for striking issues, so the missing letters are not going to be considered in the grade.

Dave, I don't know how I missed this thread. I would grade it VF30. I think it has been cleaned, but not harshly. It's a beautiful coin. I, like Mike, love these coins in the F+-EF range.
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quote:
I, like Mike, love these coins in the F+-EF range.


That makes three of us. This one hasn't left my desk yet.
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Can someone comment on how likely it would be to happen on a counterfeit of these coins? I really like these but I'm wary of buying anything because of counterfeits.
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 Posted 04/22/2007  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are counterfeits out there...Check out this completed ebay listing by a seller of whom I am not fond at all (mostly because he's a lying cheating stealing sack'o'you-know-what). If you look at this one and some real ones you can get a feel for what's real and what's not. Also notice the price. This one was purchased by a knowledgable counterfeit collector. Really nice counterfeits such as this can be worth more than the originals, and really crude counterfeits are fairly easy to spot. Look at as many as you can, and you really can't go wrong buying the Overton book BEFORE you start buying bust halves.

Here's the listing link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1828-XF-AU-Capp...07_W0QQitemZ150105956469QQihZ005QQcategoryZ11969QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I love bust coinage. Hope you will too.
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The denticles are a dead giveaway on that one. Of course, so are the stars, the irregular lettering in LIBERTY, the sharpness of the hair engraving....wait, there isn't much that actually looks right on that coin.
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