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United States
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Why would anyone bother faking Maria Theresas, when you can buy genuine ones all day long, brand new if you want them?
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Quote: Why would anyone bother faking Maria Theresas, when you can buy genuine ones all day long, brand new if you want them? For the same reason contemporary counterfeits were made. As yet as far as I know they haven't started on the early re-strikes some of which sell for 4 figure's and one for Five figures.
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United Kingdom
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I believe the countermarked MT thalers (Nejd or Hejaz for example) are particularly prone to counterfeiting where the thalers are real - the countermark is not.
Edited by Bacchus2 07/27/2013 05:03 am
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Quote: I believe the countermarked MT thalers (Nejd or Hejaz for example) are particularly prone to counterfeiting where the thalers are real - the countermark is not. I believe that further back in this thread I commented as follows( words to the effect): In the majority of cases of Counter-marked MTTs the base coin can be dated to a much later date than the counter-mark is supposed to have been produced....most commonly; Negd and Hejaz counter-marks that I have seen , which are supposed to date to the 1920s, are placed on base coins that were produced post 1935. I am continually astounded at the idiots who pay out heaps of money for obviously faked counter-marks on MTT. All it takes is a little research to find the date of the base coin. As a general principle all Negd and Hejaz counter-marks on dollar sized coins should be regarded as fake!!
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I would guess so except the edge is so well executed. I need to head off to the mint and check the latest examples..perhaps they have re cut the edge dies and or modified the striking technique so that the edge is no longer clumsy and blurred
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Hong Kong
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Agreed. Apart from the edge, it is either H60 or H61a. I don't think it is H62 also for the clean edge. Can it be a post 1986 strike for sovenir buying from an improved edge die? This specimen may be out of the scope of Hafner's classification. Just my opinion.
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austrokiwi & wonghinghi- thanks for the input. I am pretty certain that this is a very recently-made coin since it has perfect luster, no traces of wear, and was in a group of equally nice specimens, hence me referring to it as being from a BU roll of sorts. However, yes, the edge is very nicely executed, and it is in no ways rough or distorted. So I do wonder if this is a very recent piece. I almost wonder if very recent examples are modified enough to qualify as a new designation number.
austrokiwi- Also, I was wondering if you have had any revelations or thoughts about the piece that I posted on 07/20/2013 (page 12 of this thread). Could it be that that coin (although the edge is not as nice as the most recently-posted MTT) is also a very recent example? Thanks!
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Could well be ..sorry I missed that post..... My focus is always is on the early restrikes and I haven't monitored whats been happening currently. I know the current average mintage for MTTs stands at about 10,000 per year. probably a new hafner number might apply but I have problems with hafners cataloging system.....he goes by alphabetical order based on mint signature so Karlsburg starts off as 1 ( mint signature AH -GS) although Guenzburg, Vienna and Prague produced restrikes at an earlier date. I am trying to sort out a possible cataloging system based on mint
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austrokiwi- Sorry that I did not get back to you sooner. But I really do wonder if the above, seemingly-new MTT should in fact be assigned its own designation number since the edge design seems to be much thinner and more delicate than previous years. In fact, it seems as though the design is pretty much the same yet more delicate and finely-formed than that of older coins.
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Probably a new number is appropriate but as I have indicated I thin a new cataloging system would be more appropriate already some varieties a have 5-6 sub varieties. .
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Hong Kong
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The die crack and the weight would confirm Rome. Do you have a Coin dealer near by with an xray spectroscope( or what ever its called) It would be really good to have final confirmation (Rome mint coins are 835 standard silver not the usual 833)
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Hong Kong
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austrokiwi, I don't think XRF can resolve the difference of 0.2% silver between coins. I had tried twice from US and foundd the accuracy of measuring silver content disappointed by this method. One of my coins of S.G. 9.79(~55%Ag) but was measured about 85% Ag by XRF. Probably, XRF is good to measured the trace elements.
Back to this coin, you can see the dots inside the mouth the eagle (left) and around its head, they are not intact for most of them. So I guess this coin was minted by old (worn) die and assume it was from Rome mint.
We need more examples of MTT rather than technology in future discussions.
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point taken I suppose XRF is best sorting out Indian mint coins from London mint(the trace gold)
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