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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 10/21/2014  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
YUP, YOU DO QUITE WELL IN SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE FORM THAT LIMITED PERSPECTIVE OF TRADING IN USD ONLY
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 Posted 10/21/2014  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ummmm,, I am based in America, so therefore I am going to only trade in USD..... and seeing COMEX is a benchmark well,, them hmmm,, other markets arent really going to matter. :)

doesn't matter what gold is priced in, its still in a downtrend. The fact the gold is priced in euros, still doesn't take away that it is in a downtrend. Pretty simple stuff :)

The currency pricing is yet another weak argument by gold bugs to say, "see, conspiracy!!" lol
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 Posted 10/22/2014  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that there is a down trend in place... I am very negative on gold at the moment. This time of year is normally when there is usually an upswing in the gold price...leading up to some some of the Asian buying times.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
another side point, thats interesting is: we know silver and gold are in downtrends. In addition, the vast majority of commodities, ranging from corn, to cotton and sugar, all are in downtrends as well.

I have no idea or clue (nor am I interested in why)why except that supply is overwhelming demand. IF this is deflation as some say, well gold and silver will not escape its grip either.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Domain555 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The trend, is your friend?

AU down a third in a few months

AG down half in a few months.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree we are seeing downtrends worldwide in all commodities.
One thing to note is that in the past deflationary cycles, gold has held value better than other forms of money or commodities.
It will be interesting in this brave new world to see how that compares this time. In the past dozen years, the hedge funds have had a habit of selling off their gold reserves to protect their fluidity, which has had the effect of moving gold in the opposite direction of the historical norm
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 Posted 10/22/2014  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@domain555

yes thats pretty much how it goes, the famous saying.

Note that many of these commodities starting unraveling as early as march/april..... one other thing I forgot to mention earlier, notice how the last standing commodities are being swallowed up, and that is coffee. Its now started hard to move lower after attempting to make yearly highs.

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 Posted 10/24/2014  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kinda interesting here, we have gold just bouncing around, chopping again, going range bound.

however, for those feel that continued money printing will help the case of gold,, well I think you arent getting what you want. The head of the ECB today is calling for more stimulus, and yet look at gold and silver, doing absolutely nada....
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 Posted 10/25/2014  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure deflationary is quite the term we're looking for. I think in an absolute sense it is deflationary. However; I tend to think it is more correctly thought of as "normalizing".

What I mean is that since 2002 when speculators were allowed in the Commodities market, the price of all, or almost all, commodities skyrocketed as commodities became detached from real supply and demand; and instead became "gaming tokens" in virtual world of Commodity trading.

At the same time wages stagnated as Corporations aggressively reduced wages as a profit optimizer.

The combination of higher prices and lower wages meant that eventually real world demand would finally have to be taken into account. For instance Fuel Consumption in the US is down, about, 45 percent from 2008. While domestic production has doubled in the same time period. Gas Companies got used to the "New Norm" of record profits and when demand slumped their answer was to maintain and even raise the pump price. This resulted in more consumer cuts which led to an increase in pressure to keep pump prices high. Eventually with increased domestic production; storage cost; and reduced volume, there was no choice but to lower prices. Ironically with this one market segment reducing prices we now have analyst predicting one of the best Christmas Seasons in recent years. And they are attributing that squarely to the drop in Pump prices.

The same thing can be said with Beef ( though I think there was also a real issue with grain that had a legitimate effect on the market). When I see the CHEAP hamburger at $4 a pound and T-bone for $12 a pound, I wonder who is buying enough of either to make it worthwhile even bringing in beef.

Lastly 75 percent of all retail businesses say that falling wages are a major reason for lackluster sales. Their solution? EVERYBODY but ME, please raise your wages.

In summery we have had 12 years of artificial price increases that have finally hit the real world "demand wall". I suspect we will see prices normalizing ( rather than deflating) as the Commodities continue to lose favor.
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 Posted 10/25/2014  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tend to agree with Jim's comments. I just, I dunno, from my perch, I dont get paid to think about these things in great detail and while I do have my opinions about them, and I tend to, again, agree with Jim says, I also like to keep opinions to myself and really not dwell on the hows, whys, whens, etc.

I just, I dunno,,, I think commodities are going to drop a lot more than anyone thinks they will, they are pretty all now in very strong downtrends. Seeing coffee get knocked down last week and just how ugly the price action was there, I mean coffee was one of the LAST strong commodities, I think a massive drop is coming slowly all across the commodities, even gasoline at this rate is going to drop hard.

Its going to take a huge amount of demand and buying to get all of these back up, and I dont see it at all as they are now in the firm grip of of a very powerful downtrend. Just as you have seen the power of the downtrend in gold and silver, you are going to see it in these other commodities.

But heck, lets just wait and watch..... I am a slave of the market and the price action....
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 Posted 10/29/2014  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so its official.... QE is done and over , per FOMC minutes.

Golds reaction? To sell off. I wonder what other wild statements will gold bugs make to support why gold prices will stop going down,*laughing*,,, they cant say QE QE QE anymore as a reason for gold to go higher...
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 Posted 10/30/2014  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Liverpool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no insight, edcuation, or crystal ball with regards to PMs but I can't help saying this strickly from an emotional level. ........."Hold on this looks like it might be a bumpy ride!"

Fun to watch, play safe out there.
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PM(s) pay no interest.

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 Posted 10/30/2014  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just a quick update, I been very busy on this end

1- Silver, looks like the death. Once again moving into yearly lows, after consolidating in price since September 9th, the range was once again broken, to the lower end, much lower prices are ahead. Be careful if you decide to buy today thinking this drop is worth buying, you may end up seeing even much lower prices.

2- Gold continues to work lower as well. at the rate that its going, it also will be touching its yearly lows. Again, as we have discussed... the more an area is probed or touched, the greater the probabilities that it finally gives in. With gold, this could be a scenario we see again.


I would say, and again not my money, IF I was itching to buy, I would write off the week and wait till monday, and then at that I would, only buy one coin lol. Work that itch off. I never buy declining assets, but I realize most here wont be able to fight the urge, so just let me say, do not buy in SIZE,, because you will see that purchase go much lower on you. Dont even waste your time thinking buying a roll here is a great deal... be careful..
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 Posted 10/30/2014  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hardspun8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like what you are saying yup7676. I'm new to buying silver, and only have 4 1oz rounds lol. I'm going to wait and see what it does over the next week, so I know if I want to buy now or set out for more of a drop. How will we really know where the bottom is, and how long until it starts to move up once it hits? I'm in it for the long haul, so if I can buy cheap I'm in.
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